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one thing i do hate is when the transfer price estimate varies wildly

you have a guy you are not sure about and it says something like

Of these, the ones with skills most similar to GM-Lord of Doom have been selling for around $ 150 000 to $ 600 000.

so you list your guy for 300000 and the NEXT DAY it says

Of these, the ones with skills most similar to GM-Lord of Doom have been selling for around $ 100 000 to $ 200 000.

and you look like a cheating idiot

well, if the player truely isn't worth the 300k, you will not get a bidder.

the same is true if the estimate wouldn't have changed, if the player isn't worth the 300k, even if it says has been sold for up to 600k, you will not get a bidder as the teams wanting such a player will be able to buy those for 200k max.

If you DO get a bid, and you feel he wasn't worth it, it is time to report, as cheaters use the tranfer estimate to justify their amounts, which obviously does not work with us, but by this fact everyone who does not report indeed does LOOK like a cheater. Which won't necessarily mean they are threated that way... but that's a diffrent story altogether about which I am not permitted to talk about.

but remember this: it's better to look like an idiot, then to be a cheater ;)

i have been only casually following this thread, but your last post has me a little intimidated (sort of like your team logo).

if we use the estimate, and it is proven to be incorrect, then we can be guilty of cheating?

additionally, the BB's recognize the estimator is flawed, to the point that it can produce ridiculous estimates? and it is the obligation of the seller to know when to and when not to rely on the estimate?

then why provide us with an estimate at all? it seems to me it is an elaborate entrapment.

i wonder why there is any discussion at all that proceeds from the premise there can be an "unfair" price for a player. the TL is a market that has its own rules, but works best when left to the participants. if someone thinks player x is worth $300,000, and the more experienced manager thinks that is ridiculous, so what? i can imagine an entire range of rationales for someone "overpaying", some good (i need a player immediately), some not so good (wouldn't it be neat to have a 7-foot PG), to "i don't know what i am doing" (wow, a Hall of Fame potential and he is only 26). the market teaches tough lessons quickly, and i think that can be a very effective way of learning this aspect of the game.

what i am saying, i suppose, is that if i have a player whose top skill is average, and i slap a million dollar price tag on him, and someone buys him, and he is in germany and i am in the u.s. and collusion is impossible, then why would this be "cheating"? idiocy, yes. my good fortune, yes. a huge mistake for the german player, yes. but i don't see this as all that different as when i chose to play FCP against a team and then learned what it is like to never get a rebound -- i learned a lot from that mistake, and my opponent benefited from my mistake. being dumb is not "cheating".

additionally, the BB's recognize the estimator is flawed, to the point that it can produce ridiculous estimates? and it is the obligation of the seller to know when to and when not to rely on the estimate?

then why provide us with an estimate at all? it seems to me it is an elaborate entrapment.

because it is in most times rigth and helps to figure out the worth of the player, and maybe because it is sometimes flawed they call it estimate.

i have been only casually following this thread, but your last post has me a little intimidated (sort of like your team logo).

if we use the estimate, and it is proven to be incorrect, then we can be guilty of cheating?

you are guilty of cheating when you cheat, but if you sell players for a too high amount of money they could reduce it to a normal price(and normally they are close to the top end of it they aren't mean).

If you use a to high estimate, to sell the player to a friend -> in this case you could be punished for cheating but with such transfer you should be cautious anyway.

if someone thinks player x is worth $300,000, and the more experienced manager thinks that is ridiculous, so what? i can imagine an entire range of rationales for someone "overpaying", some good (i need a player immediately), some not so good (wouldn't it be neat to have a 7-foot PG), to "i don't know what i am doing" (wow, a Hall of Fame potential and he is only 26). the market teaches tough lessons quickly, and i think that can be a very effective way of learning this aspect of the game.

in case of ridicoulus sum it isn't fair, and also it would make it very easy for good cheaters who are able to hide that they had several accounts and making ridicoulus money in just saying he though he is worth 5 times of the normal value why punishing me for that - and don't forget the buler isn't the only one who is punished for paying to much it gives an unfair advantages for the seller and punish this way all of his opponents.

what i am saying, i suppose, is that if i have a player whose top skill is average, and i slap a million dollar price tag on him, and someone buys him, and he is in germany and i am in the u.s. and collusion is impossible, then why would this be "cheating"

to be honest, most of my friends have vpn servers in america to look like americans to watch hulu etc.(also i know some americans, who could do me a favour) so collusion is never impossible.

but i don't see this as all that different as when i chose to play FCP against a team and then learned what it is like to never get a rebound -- i learned a lot from that mistake, and my opponent benefited from my mistake. being dumb is not "cheating".

in this case just your opponent is punished, you see the difference? Or maybe you because you use the fcp^^

maybe someone could delete the names from the Transferlisted players?

You GMs have done a great job in this thread of causing me to worry, and many others judging by the posts. In fact you make us worry to the extent that we are obligated to report transfers outside TPE. If we don't report a sale outside TPE you assume we are cheating, even though TPE is flawed to the extent that I was advised as a new player by someone in the EBBL not to rely on it when buying players.

Every time I make a nice sale in which I didn't cheat, I have to report and worry about you screwing me out of money I think I am entitled to.

That's really good isn't it. On the one hand we have to worry and in the post above you tell us not to worry. We are supposed to report transfers outside TPE yet TPE is flawed.

You have caused me to worry so much that I was forced to report a transfer WITHIN the bounds of TPE because you yourselves say that sometimes the upper bounds of TPE is influenced by cheaters. I think I will have to report every transfer I make because otherwise you will ban me someday.

Someone else said your policy is insane. I agree.


Last edited by CorruptCop at 3/4/2010 3:02:50 PM

Your making it seem like the TPE is the only thing we look at when investigating teams. It's not.

the gm say that you should report transfers who are way to high, and often said that this must not compare with the tpe ...

A self report is also nothing you had to worry about, if it right you don't get a fine if it way out of range the probability is good that is reported anyway(and then the gm don't say cheater but they are maybe not that nice like when you reported it yourself - if they aren't signs for cheating)