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And that's what I'm saying. What I meant was that I wanted them to know that this method actually works. And it would also be great to the NT

For the record, Hungary is hosting the U21 Euros, so only they will have home court.

All other games will be neutral court.

If jotapeq acepted our invite is because he is capable of the job. Don't say that he only acepted because he wanted to be know for having a NT or because he doenst know what it takes to be part of a NT because he is experienced enough to know it.

Where did I say anything about jotapeq wanting to be known for anything? The ONLY thing I've said about jotapeq is that he doesn't seem to have the time to put into it, and you've stated he doesn't have time as well.

I've already said that we made an effort to manage our part of the scouting, and part of his. So, he wiil not take part in the starting scouting, but in helping players training.

If you don't scout the teams, then you can't set the tactics properly. It's that simple. My issue is that I don't think the other 2 members of your team have the experience to do the job, yet you seem to be saying thats your intent. It's not the scouting of players for training that is a concern (elboss already has tools in place to do this in an automated fashion). It's scouting the opposing teams, being able to get a feel for what they'll do against you, choosing a tactic to counter it, setting a lineup to play that tactic as effectively as possible, and having the maturity to stand up to the English community when it doesn't work. If your experienced manager doesn't have the time to scout the opposition, then he won't be able to do any of this effectively.

2nd It wasn't me who started saying that english comunity was inactive and disinterested

You certainly have repeated it though.

3rd If I know the players who play, and the ratings that are made,what's missing me.( and no I'm not talking about my team)

See my previous posts, and read the above statements. There is more to setting lineups and choosing tactics than knowing skills. Without having had personal experience with players putting up the ratings an NT would, you'll be less effective choosing tactics.

4th. To be a scout, you don't need to be a great manager, but a great trainer. I consider myself a good center trainer, as I created a good player, and know what it takes to have a good center

From your team, you've created one decent player with potential to be good. You haven't created a great player, so I cannot say if you're a great trainer.

5th I don't know why do you only talk about the "bad things" about our team. Maybe you didn't want to talk about the good ones

I talk about the "bad things" about your club team because it illustrates my concerns. You haven't played long enough to have any "good things" happen for me to talk about yet.

PS: You are talking about my team, but Astragoth hasn't one

Astragoth hasn't one what? A team? Look at his roster, compare it to yours. Look at his team ratings, compare it to yours. I haven't looked that deeply, but I would guess he's got scrimmages with higher ratings than your team put up in the finals. So yes, I do feel he has more experience with players of U-21 NT caliber than you do, hence my comments. If I mis-understood your P.S. point, please re-state it.

see there is still alot to be learned, but I am sure with the help from you, the current NT team coach, waggyrob, who said he wouldnt mind to give advice and the english community we can do this.

it is good that the games are on neutral courts, but that makes it even harder :( because as I wrongly thought we stood a chance in 1 or 2 games due to home court advantage and it seems it comes more and more to enthusiasm management...

Just want to say that I did manage to get a player into the U21 chilean team in season 8 and 9. Not a starter, but he played enough games. It is kinda funny, because many players say players for U21 NT should be single position trained, he wasnt, and I even trained 6 players a week :) and still managed to get him in the U21 team... I must have done something right.

Just want to say that I did manage to get a player into the U21 chilean team in season 8 and 9. Not a starter, but he played enough games.

I was aware of that actually. I haven't spoken with you before that I can recall, but your team always does well in the tournament so I've scouted it several times and have had an eye on you for quite some time.

It is kinda funny, because many players say players for U21 NT should be single position trained, he wasnt,

Every country will have differrent criteria for what they'll take. If your player happens to be 2 position trained and is still the best available, then by all means most managers will give him a roster spot. That said, how much better would he have been if he'd been single position trained, especially on defense? It's possible to have an effective 2 position training regimen, but the skills will still be slower coming than with single position. Training 6 in many cases is actually imo more appropriate for a club team, but for an U-21 hopeful single position is undoubtedly best.

I think you are right there. But let me ask you something and it is a kind off rethoric question :) Since I will be suprised if you disagree. Off course this could still be possible.

We have been talking alot in these debates about failing to persuade teams to train their plays in a way that suits the U21 team, and I think we have. I think most off us will agree that single position training for an U21 candidate would be in most cases the best option. However, if you go to a team manager (i have been put in this position myself, in both hattrick and this game) and are being asked to single position train a player, I will say kindly no. Simply because I wouldnt benefit from this. Especially not when you think like me a more balanced player is better than a single trained player. I am sure you know my opinion on this subject since I am sure you read the heated debates about this subject too.

That is why I wouldnt go to a coach and say, hey listen, train this player such and such because it would be the best way to do this. I would suggest what I need, what I think would be best for him and whether he would be willing to find some kind off compromise, and I do believe a few players might than compromise. We dont need many to compromise, only a hand full and perhaps instead off mediocre players we end up with better than average U21 players and perhaps one day get into the U21 team. This is my idea how to best work around this difficult subject, what do you think? If you disagree please let me know why and what you believe is the best solution...

To an extent I do agree absolutely. What I would think is to do much like former managers have done. Ask what the managers plans are for training, and start a back and forth with them. Of course letting them know that single position training would give them an edge can't be a bad thing, but there is little to be done if a manager cares more for his own teams long-term growth than about having a single player make a Jr. NT team for a season or two. Who can blame them?

I do think though that if you start a discussion with a manager, many will be interested in having an U-21 player. Many will actually do exactly what you tell them to if you seem knowledgeable and can show how this wouldn't negatively affect their own squad too much. In many ways it would in fact help their team. For example to get a really top end SF, my personal opinion is you'll need to single train the player as both a PG and a C for at least a couple of seasons each.

So yeah, I think largely your approach is the right way to go. Don't try and force something down anyones throat, but set up a working relationship with the owner and bring the player up together as much as possible. Contact them often if anything just to let them know you're still around if they have questions etc.

Look, if we tought we weren't capable of managing the English NT, we would not be here. I don't think it takes a lot to be able to spy the other teams. Afterall, it's part of managing a club team. So I don't know what the problem is.

2nd It wasn't me who started saying that english comunity was inactive and disinterested



You certainly have repeated it though.

Well, so you are saying that everyone here insulted the english comunity. Don't try to make me say things that I didn't said.



I said I created a good player, not a great player. And remember 1 thing. He's 20 year old. Were you expecting me to have a triple 16 center with 20 years?

I talk about the "bad things" about your club team because it illustrates my concerns. You haven't played long enough to have any "good things" happen for me to talk about yet.

You know that I wasn't talking about club team but staff team...

Astragoth hasn't one what? A team? Look at his roster, compare it to yours. Look at his team ratings, compare it to yours. I haven't looked that deeply, but I would guess he's got scrimmages with higher ratings than your team put up in the finals. So yes, I do feel he has more experience with players of U-21 NT caliber than you do, hence my comments. If I mis-understood your P.S. point, please re-state it.

Once again, you tried to make me stupid by pretending not to understand my question. Seriously, try not to avoid questions, because it seems like you don't want to expose your friends "bad things" and don't want to talk about Fenomeno's list "good things"

@ Astragoth

Just want to say that I did manage to get a player into the U21 chilean team in season 8 and 9. Not a starter, but he played enough games. It is kinda funny, because many players say players for U21 NT should be single position trained, he wasnt, and I even trained 6 players a week :) and still managed to get him in the U21 team... I must have done something right.

well, if I had a Vietnam player, maybe 1 could get him in the NT by training 3 positions. It depends a lot on the value of the team

But look. It's already difficult to convince someone to train one position. So it will be more difficult to a coach who doenst train 1 position to convince someone to do it. It would be like "yeah, if you don't train it it's because it's not good to me to do it"

So yeah, I think largely your approach is the right way to go. Don't try and force something down anyones throat, but set up a working relationship with the owner and bring the player up together as much as possible. Contact them often if anything just to let them know you're still around if they have questions etc.

That is why I would select a few players too that arent fully ready yet to play but are close, to the U21 team. That way every time the coach logs in and sees the little flag next to the guys stats in his own swuad it will remind them that the players is close to get into the U21 team. i know it might sound far fetched, but I do think it could make a small but large enough difference. I might be wrong, but only time can tell...