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additionally, the BB's recognize the estimator is flawed, to the point that it can produce ridiculous estimates? and it is the obligation of the seller to know when to and when not to rely on the estimate?

then why provide us with an estimate at all? it seems to me it is an elaborate entrapment.

because it is in most times rigth and helps to figure out the worth of the player, and maybe because it is sometimes flawed they call it estimate.

i have been only casually following this thread, but your last post has me a little intimidated (sort of like your team logo).

if we use the estimate, and it is proven to be incorrect, then we can be guilty of cheating?

you are guilty of cheating when you cheat, but if you sell players for a too high amount of money they could reduce it to a normal price(and normally they are close to the top end of it they aren't mean).

If you use a to high estimate, to sell the player to a friend -> in this case you could be punished for cheating but with such transfer you should be cautious anyway.

if someone thinks player x is worth $300,000, and the more experienced manager thinks that is ridiculous, so what? i can imagine an entire range of rationales for someone "overpaying", some good (i need a player immediately), some not so good (wouldn't it be neat to have a 7-foot PG), to "i don't know what i am doing" (wow, a Hall of Fame potential and he is only 26). the market teaches tough lessons quickly, and i think that can be a very effective way of learning this aspect of the game.

in case of ridicoulus sum it isn't fair, and also it would make it very easy for good cheaters who are able to hide that they had several accounts and making ridicoulus money in just saying he though he is worth 5 times of the normal value why punishing me for that - and don't forget the buler isn't the only one who is punished for paying to much it gives an unfair advantages for the seller and punish this way all of his opponents.

what i am saying, i suppose, is that if i have a player whose top skill is average, and i slap a million dollar price tag on him, and someone buys him, and he is in germany and i am in the u.s. and collusion is impossible, then why would this be "cheating"

to be honest, most of my friends have vpn servers in america to look like americans to watch hulu etc.(also i know some americans, who could do me a favour) so collusion is never impossible.

but i don't see this as all that different as when i chose to play FCP against a team and then learned what it is like to never get a rebound -- i learned a lot from that mistake, and my opponent benefited from my mistake. being dumb is not "cheating".

in this case just your opponent is punished, you see the difference? Or maybe you because you use the fcp^^

maybe someone could delete the names from the Transferlisted players?

You GMs have done a great job in this thread of causing me to worry, and many others judging by the posts. In fact you make us worry to the extent that we are obligated to report transfers outside TPE. If we don't report a sale outside TPE you assume we are cheating, even though TPE is flawed to the extent that I was advised as a new player by someone in the EBBL not to rely on it when buying players.

Every time I make a nice sale in which I didn't cheat, I have to report and worry about you screwing me out of money I think I am entitled to.

That's really good isn't it. On the one hand we have to worry and in the post above you tell us not to worry. We are supposed to report transfers outside TPE yet TPE is flawed.

You have caused me to worry so much that I was forced to report a transfer WITHIN the bounds of TPE because you yourselves say that sometimes the upper bounds of TPE is influenced by cheaters. I think I will have to report every transfer I make because otherwise you will ban me someday.

Someone else said your policy is insane. I agree.


Last edited by CorruptCop at 3/4/2010 3:02:50 PM

Your making it seem like the TPE is the only thing we look at when investigating teams. It's not.

the gm say that you should report transfers who are way to high, and often said that this must not compare with the tpe ...

A self report is also nothing you had to worry about, if it right you don't get a fine if it way out of range the probability is good that is reported anyway(and then the gm don't say cheater but they are maybe not that nice like when you reported it yourself - if they aren't signs for cheating)

I would hope that you have more than one overpriced transfer as evidence before accusing any user of cheating. But I am made to feel that if some newbs get into a bidwar on my player and it sells for a nice price, that I should report it otherwise I am going to be made to suffer for actions I had no influence over.

And whilst you may have some nice fancy tools, I don't, all I have as a new user is TPE to guide me. Maybe you expect all new users to carry out significant market research before putting any bids in.

Accordingly I will report every single transfer I sell until you stop making people feel like criminals for getting a nice price for their player and have to self report.

And it seems I will have to contact the GMs every time I want to bid above TPE on a player to get their permission to do so because I am warned on every bid screen that it is against the rules to overbid and BOTH ACCOUNTS MAY BE BANNED. Please explain to me the process I should follow to gain such permission. I don't want to have to keep pulling out of bidwars for fear I will be accused of cheating. Thanks.

Last edited by CorruptCop at 3/4/2010 6:13:02 PM

that I should report it otherwise I am going to be made to suffer for actions I had no influence over.

maybe reporting it yourself makes a better impression, and makes it easier to believe that it isn't planned BUT also with out no self reporting you aren't doomed if they aren't no clear connection(your brother winner of the bidding war etc.)