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A guards(pg/sg/sf can control the whole defense)

He can't! I have the best allround defender Buzzerbeater ever saw and even he struggles to shut down the opponents offense. The engine tries to avoid him as good as possible. Currently he's playing as a PG and he only defends 4.7 shots/game! The reason for this is that almost everytime the engine calculations "shooting or passing?" it ends up with passing.

I have never had od that high as 14.. I had 10-12

You can't compair my team with yours. You're playing in the V. division, I play in the third. Almost every team in my league has a player with JS 16+ or/and IS 15+. To stop these guys I need stronger defense than you. Your opponents have maybe JS 11 and IS 12. So your defense of 10-12 would be enough. But try playing against stronger teams and they will crush you.

I know if you get a dynamic sf with Id 13 /sb 12/od 15 you run them off the floor pretty much. With one man

This guy looks like a little kid compaired to my allround defender. And I say it once more, he can shut down a player and make his life misrable, but he can't defend two or three players at the same time.

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 11/19/2014 6:23:37 AM

And here we are back again at the starting point. You have to balance your team. I have one of the best in-the-paint defenders but I can't use him effectively because of his teammates. And it wouldn't help me if Sutherland has ID 20 and SB 20. One guy can't control the whole defense...

this is something I found out for myself as well. but not just on defense but on offense as well. balance is a key to success imho.

And those that have been following a 3-2 defense game knows that the positions are not carved in stone. A guard may defend inside and a big may defend at the perimeter. So secondary skill will matter in every game.
I have been using three PG's for my 3 and have tried getting as high secondary skills as i could.

Big men do often contest the mid-range and longer jump shot in the 3-2, both from my experiences running it and going against it. Likewise, the player defending as a C in a 1-3-1 will actually quite frequently defend against jump shots as well, especially if you're playing a rival and his PG has the innate ability to draw fouls every time he freaking misses a shot, not that I speak from experience or anything.

I'm wondering if its something like this for MtM (guessing of course)~
40% 30% 20% 10% 5% .. or maybe its more like 45% 30% 15% 6.5% 3.5%

It's very possible. I should check how the def rating were calculated in Coach Parrot but I believe there is a contribution to the team rating from each position, it's just that in some cases it is negligible.

Also I'm fairly sure in CP SB isn't accounted for as a contributor to the team ID rating (or the effect is extremely small), but this might be due to a number of factors:
a) SB has been boosted since CP regressions were run and the effect is not so negligible anymore
b) SB was very unpopular in the past, therefore there were less players with high enough SB to estimate the coefficients correctly

I'll reply again to this when I have the time to go through the Coach Parrot excel spreadsheet so that I can post how the contributions are estimated in there (again, SB will be completely wrong for the above reasons)

old thread but thought id share some of my experience with this.

I jumped on the SB wagon about 2 and a bit seasons ago, after I drafted an MVP 7'2, then the following season (last season) bought an 18 year old 7'5 player with MVP potential.

Now, I have a 19 year old with sensational SB. 19.... Sensational. he trains so fast in SB its insane, probably the fastest skill ive seen trained for an 18/19 year old, BY FAR. (he is 7'5 though so yer)

The thing ive noticed, is that SB increases ur players game rating. My 21 year old recently got a 14.0 rating in 42 minutes in a league game against decent opposition, with Respectable Game shape..... The dude has an $11k salary and is pulling 14.0 ratings in nearly a full game with respectable GS...... its insane.

Im training RB and 1n1 and a bit more SB for this season - I'm yet to decide the 'peak' point for SB on these guys and im yet to work out what balance of skills ill sacrifice for the higher SB. I think all 3 other big man skills will need to be sacrificed for it, including RB and ID. IS the most if you have decent DR and JS, but thats going to depend for each player.

Also from a tactics perspective im almost now exclusively running 3-2 zone. I haven't had it tested out yet against really really good LI teams, so im still reserved on its performance.

Im also yet to venture into SB for guards, although my SF does have very good SB.

So thats it! I almot kinda wish this thread didn't get created, because i don't want to secret of SB to be revealed! haha.

LI continues to survive because you need only 1 skill for your bigs, who take most of the LI shots, to be successful: IS. You can even train the secondary scoring skills JS and DR at PF using 1v1 F and JS-F.

Training needs to be made easier so more people will train and we will see more diverse builds on the TL. Thats the only way we will see more SB.