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276706.133 in reply to 276706.132
Date: 2/18/2016 5:39:05 AM
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“The world is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. The ride goes up and down, around and around, it has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly colored, and it's very loud, and it's fun for a while. Many people have been on the ride a long time, and they begin to wonder, "Hey, is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and say, "Hey, don't worry; don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we … kill those people. "Shut him up! I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real." It's just a ride. But we always kill the good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok … But it doesn't matter, because it's just a ride. And we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice.

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276706.134 in reply to 276706.133
Date: 2/18/2016 9:40:57 AM
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Hi.

I deleted some posts that were more than just a bit off topic. I don't mind off topic stuff, especially when it's funny, but the specific tangent there was not constructive in any way.

Let's not attack other users now, mmkay? In the context of the election, discussing what someone has done or has not done in BB in terms of debating their qualifications is kosher. It may even be funny, if done well. Discussing the specific users themselves, let's stop that.

I don't like deleting posts. If I have to do it again, I might take it out on the posters themselves.

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276706.136 in reply to 276706.119
Date: 2/18/2016 10:01:46 AM
LionPride
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Shot blocking is vastly underrated. On all players, not just bigs.

I think I've been saying this for 15 seasons now, but next to OD/ID, my favorite skill in BB is Driving. The problem, of course, is that Handling is trained 80% for every 1 Driving pop(unless they've changed those #s recently), and handling is an expensive, and cap eating skill.

When I search for trainees I always look for high driving and low handling. They go much cheaper than other more rounded prospects, but not everyone is rolling in dough.

The player here, while not American, is a steal for what he's currently bid at. (38595636). This one is American, and to me he is worth so much money. You can get him for less than 300k I bet (38358485)

When I'm manager I'll scout the players for the team differently. I'll also teach people how to scout their potential trainees differently. Realistically, you know the % of BB users who draft/buy a MVP+ player and actually train him to cap? Very very low. I've been playing this game for 6 years and I haven't even done that. I've trained 1 PAS guy to cap. You don't need to fixate on the MVPs when you can get a PAS trainee at 1/4 the cost that will serve a similar purpose to your team that the MVP that caught your eye would have.

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276706.137 in reply to 276706.123
Date: 2/18/2016 11:16:17 AM
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I appreciate the responses and analysis and agree with most of your sentiment but do you have anything you've tracked with data?

I guess what I'm looking for is something like this:

You know of/own a player that has an extremely high level of X skill. As that skill increases, keeping competition level constant, how did that player's performance change (FG%, AST/TO, etc.) with each change of X skill, and how did the performance of your team change with each X skill increasing.

That kind of data and information is, in my opinion, of extreme value in actually determining call-ups and tactics. Not only that, but it could be lent with value to managers trying to train these players.

Another thing along the lines of data collection could be:

This team has played X tactic and tracking their players' performance while guarded (assuming M2M) by a player with X skills (if known, probably not) or X salary and X position (not entirely indicative of overall value of a player, but a close guess with no specific skillset and probably normalized among positions).

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276706.138 in reply to 276706.136
Date: 2/18/2016 1:08:31 PM
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i think you just won my vote here sir,

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276706.139 in reply to 276706.136
Date: 2/18/2016 3:12:11 PM
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Oriole- I have not seen you be very active on the NT and U21 game discussions for awhile. I understand this does not mean you are not qualified, as I felt pretty much like you over the past seasons and wasn't very active on discussions until taking over as NT manager. What can we expect from you on the forums should you win this election?

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276706.140 in reply to 276706.139
Date: 2/18/2016 3:33:47 PM
LionPride
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Just browsing the forum, no one has been very active at all this season with U21 discussions sans in the meta-scouting threads. I'll make a weekly thread, I'll post the team updates, and tell everyone what I'm thinking. If they agree then great. If they have some minor tweaks they want then we'll talk through them. I already have the list of all the U21 scouts, so that's easy to coordinate.

I haven't been posting much but that doesn't mean I'm incapable of it.

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276706.141 in reply to 276706.140
Date: 2/18/2016 3:39:19 PM
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I haven't been posting much but that doesn't mean I'm incapable of it.


How has the recovery from having Otto Reedy's babies gone, and are any of them available in the upcoming draft?


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276706.142 in reply to 276706.141
Date: 2/18/2016 3:48:21 PM
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Hey, I just found this area of forums after another manager asked me some things about U-21. I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question, but here goes ... relocate it if necessary.

I scored a Hall of Fame potential Center in the recent draft. I don't have a great trainer so if I kept him he would go to waste. Therefore, I'm going to put him on the Transfer Market. Is there a time that would be most convenient for a US manager to pick him up and train him for the National Teams?

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276706.143 in reply to 276706.142
Date: 2/18/2016 4:01:23 PM
LionPride
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Later in the evening for U.S.; early afternoon for the Euros.

If he's talented American managers will attempt to buy him regardless of when he's put up.

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