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241131.135 in reply to 241131.134
Date: 5/23/2013 3:45:51 AM
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If we take everything into account, I would say SB works like that:

Shot defended?
1) no -> free shot
2) yes -> man-to-man defense or help defense

if 2) yes:
2.1) score (SB had a low %. it still influenced the shot, but it wasn't enough to prevent from scoring)
2.1.1) no foul
2.1.2) shooting foul -> and-1

2.2) miss (SB had a high enough %)
2.2.1) Block (high % or value)
2.2.2) alters the shot (this action I only saw as Help Defense in the play-by-play)
2.2.3) shot defended without altering the shot. high pressure or wth like that
2.2.4) shooting foul (low %)


that's my opinion on how SB works. and I believe to remember that there was another post from Marin or Patrick, were they explained it with the influence of X and Y %. but maybe I'm mixing it with sth other ;)

and than, there is one question: what's the difference between SB and ID?

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 5/23/2013 3:49:28 AM

From: Hunterz

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241131.136 in reply to 241131.133
Date: 5/23/2013 3:52:40 AM
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3) It contributes to the team inside defense rating, which is used as part of the calculation during every defensive possession not resulting in a back-court steal.


Feel free to correct me, but seems like the above would be one reason for the perceived weakness of SB. Everyone evaluates skills "usefullness" on the results they can see but SB is one that may have been plenty effective but not on a visible level. In real world terms, SB in the GE could have acted as a deterant to players taking inside shots/drives for fear of the opponents blocking prowess and the ball handler may have instead passed out and resulted in the possession ending with a jumpshot. This would inherently lower the chance of a successful possession but wouldn't really be visible to us so everyone immediately claims SB isnt strong enough.

Just a theory but I dont have thousands of possessions worth of data analyzed to prove it or anything.

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241131.137 in reply to 241131.135
Date: 5/23/2013 3:57:27 AM
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Just a wild guess:

ID - prevent the player from shooting by staying in front of him, closing passing routes, boxing out etc.

SB - if ID failed and a shot is going of, prevent the player from scoring

From: Knecht
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241131.138 in reply to 241131.137
Date: 5/23/2013 5:17:59 AM
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I don't trust the live viewer very much when it comes to shot selection and shot quality.

I always wonder how those "wide open shots under high pressure" might look like, also FG% seems to be unrelated to specific events and lines...

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From: Pewu

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241131.142 in reply to 241131.140
Date: 5/26/2013 3:53:59 PM
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I'm curious to hear why no one tried to create a 20 ID - 20 SB center?


I know at least one such a person ;)

From: brian

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Date: 5/26/2013 7:53:49 PM
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i know, OMG LMFOA HAHA JAJAJA

smh

how dare someone try something different. there's a team in USA, beware of dogs, that is trying the no reb build. interesting experiment. they were in II, down in III now but look to be bouncing back up.

"Well, no ones gonna top that." - http://tinyurl.com/noigttt
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