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yeah you jump, but shooting itself is still the same (so what you do with your hands)

and nice job naming this player he seems cracked but I think it's a rare thing.

So please at least give some kind of improved FT-training (only guards or something like that)

OK, suddenly I'm starting to agree with this idea. But I disagree that it should be only guards, or any positional requirement.

As you said, it is the same hand motion as a jump shot. So if it is implemented, it should be possible that any player/position are trained in jump shot have their FT ability trained as well, only very, very slightly. Perhaps so slowly that it isn't very notable at all; i.e. 8-10 weeks of jump shot for one level of FT. It wouldn't be much of an advantage in the short run, but as a player became a better shooter overall, he would slowly increase his FT shooting.

So if it is implemented, it should be possible that any player/position are trained in jump shot have their FT ability trained as well, only very, very slightly. Perhaps so slowly that it isn't very notable at all; i.e. 8-10 weeks of jump shot for one level of FT. It wouldn't be much of an advantage in the short run, but as a player became a better shooter overall, he would slowly increase his FT shooting.

This wouldn't bother me either.

I would oppose if FTs trained at the same rate they would if FT was the trained skill, but this sounds like a good compromise.

the real concern from a gameplay perspective is that adding FTs a secondary skill to just jump shot would make the game slightly biased towards guards. perhaps its true though that gaurds shoot better FTs.. then again this may because a good gaurd must shoot better FTs to be good because he is going to be handling the ball more and must be fouled more at the end of the game.

Not only that, but guards (at least until the change to handling/driving) weren't an attractive training option since there are more skills to consider (and still more than inside guys).

Maybe a slight FT bump for JS training would be a bonus to mitigate that.

well one principle is that things should only be as complicated as they need to be to make the game enjoyable. Although increasing the number of parameters makes the game more flexible it doesn't necessarily make it more enjoyable for the user, especially the new user. It certainly would have been more straight forward to program the other way. Personally I'm kind of on the fence about the issue, there is definitely a debate to be had about it from a game design perspective.

Although increasing the number of parameters makes the game more flexible it doesn't necessarily make it more enjoyable for the user, especially the new user.

As a new user, you're given a team full of players that are crap, with a smattering of talent thrown in. When you look at training options, you see that you cannot train only your forwards in inside skills without also training your center, you can't train your center in passing without training the remainder of the team, and you can only train SF/PF in jump shot and one-on-one for outside skills (just examples). A number of new teams notice where their strengths lie, and attempt to either improve those strengths or improve the team's weaknesses.

What happens to teams that start with a great PF and SG and want to train them into 2 great SFs? They must either move the PF to SF, or move the SG to C (for optimal training); OR they could play them both at SF and train them both really slowly in inside skills, while training them alongside a couple SGs in outside skills. I'd submit that this system doesn't necessarily make it enjoyable for the new user, particularly for users who don't much understand basketball (suggested reasoning behind "best position").

I love this game, and have nothing but the utmost respect for the amazing things you (and the rest for the development team) have done and are doing. But I'm having a really hard time formulating a long-term training strategy given the current system.

Not really. On a jump shot, you jump, whereas on free throw, you stand flat footed.

normally, but you could jump because the rules didn't forbid it ;)

I have seen some professionell Players who maked jumps when they throw an freethrow.

But on the other way, free throws are different from shoots from the field because you could think about the shot, your pulse doesn't beat so fast etc.

BTW i got some worst FT shooter, who even hit around 50% of their free throws and i got some players with respectable-strong jumpshot + jump range who hit below 30% of their 3P shoots so i think the relation is still fine.

Edited by CrazyEye (12/26/2007 4:55:55 PM CET)

Last edited by CrazyEye at 12/26/2007 4:55:55 PM

if you draw the line further...

any training should train almost every skill, since most training types will use a basketball, so balhandling for one should always be improved with any kind of training. Passing as well, since in practive players trow the ball to each other, no matter what the skill is that is being trained...
The skills often have are so related that you can't separate them in reality.
Therefor this is a game, and some un-realisticness should be implemented in order to keep it playable, and more important: fun!

I repeat myself: things running smoothly should not be touched. ;)

If I would get a team with stars, and only needed 1 season of training to make them legendary, I would quit instantly.

exhagerated example: when start playing age of empires you need to collect wood and food, and later on gold and stone.... I could imagine people saying, why don't we get more fund te start out with, preferably 1000 of each, it would be good to have more... but it would take away the fun, and the challenge to build up enough stock would it? (actually they have an option there that let's you start out with 1000 of each, just for those who aren't patient enough to gather their needs before getting into battle, but I hope everyone realises that you cannot have that option here, since if some choose the challenge, and others choose to have it all at once, there would be imbalance all over the place)

Slow and steady wins the race...

I also wish there wasn't only team training for free throws. There are only certain players who I care about training.