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20034.14 in reply to 20034.3
Date: 3/22/2008 5:15:48 AM
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I don't think it is a design flaw. IMO, a lot of people find inside play with the big guys going for dunks...attractive. Pretty soon the shortage of guards compared to inside players is going to put a premium on the guards. Supply and demand. Then you'd probably see a few trainers switching over to outside training.

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20034.15 in reply to 20034.14
Date: 3/22/2008 6:31:53 AM
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I don't think this has anything to do with the salaries. (and there is a shortage of guards already)

A sensational guard get equal salary as a sensational center, instead of half of the salary, which is the case right now imo.
I agree that there are maybe more factors included to be a sensational guard than a sensational center, but players contribute about the same to the team, then they should get paid the same.

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20034.16 in reply to 20034.15
Date: 3/22/2008 7:07:32 AM
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I am not sure that is completely accurate.

There was a player with lvl 15 or 16 rebounding & nothing else on the TM last week, his salary only went up to $16k or something close.

Most inside players I see listed have the same mid level skill on 2+ talents, I am yet to see any guards listed that have sensational multiskills, most have that level jump shot and strong at best in the other skills, often quite less.

I think (from what I have seen) that eventually the guards will be paid either more or the same as inside players, depending on how many high level skills they have.

Right now the guards being shown to the market have 1 very high skill with the rest lacking, whereas the inside players have 3 similar mid-high levels skills.

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20034.17 in reply to 20034.3
Date: 3/22/2008 7:32:41 AM
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It's more difficult to train SF or PG or playmaker I've to train more skills and the player is growing slowly compare to a center. Then, I'm sure the 99% of the teams can still make some profits at the end of the week so I don't see any reason to change this sistem now. If you are not able to pay the salaries and to keep the economy in balance probably you should have to sell someone, this is one of the beautiful aspect of the game. There are a lot of money and we can see it on the prices market, we are far from bankrupcy. A suggestion for teams that is spending a lot of K in salaries is to change the training, it means stop to train centers and start to train guards.
Only one thing should be considered by the BBs and this is the exponential growing of the salaries; if I've a lvl 20 I can't pay 1 million salary I would like to avoid to see what happens in hattrick but it's also good to keep in a team only one or max 2 lvl 20 players, not more, otherwise the game will be too easy.

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20034.18 in reply to 20034.16
Date: 3/22/2008 7:44:46 AM
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There was a player with lvl 15 or 16 rebounding & nothing else on the TM last week, his salary only went up to $16k or something close.


Na, I've seen a player with I think about 17 rebounding and nothing else whos salary went up to about 25k.

Then I see a guard with 13 JS and 9 JR who only got about 15k salary now.


@ ned: This discussion is not about not being able to pay salaries or not. It's about the difference between salaries of C's and G's which shouldn't be there (imo).
I think the players who are great guards will feel discriminated now, because they only get half of the salary of a center ;).

Edit: I found a perfect example to prove my point: Albert Diefenbach (3071008), just posted in the transfer ad topic. JS: 10, HD: 10, DR: 11, and only 9,4k salary. A center with 10 IS, 10 ID and 11 RB would have 20k+ salary.


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20034.19 in reply to 20034.18
Date: 3/22/2008 7:59:07 AM
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Wouldn't that just be reflective of the curve that salarys take as the levels increase?

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20034.20 in reply to 20034.18
Date: 3/22/2008 7:59:45 AM
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Sorry for the OT, anyway I think there is a relation between the salary and the skills trained. "Secondary" skills are not so important as defense for example and you can see this in the player posted here above. Then you can see in the team of Andrè that there is a difference in terms of results between the centers and the guards. Having good centers can give you more benefits than guards and as I've written before a center is much easier to be trained compare to a guard. Of course imho

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20034.21 in reply to 20034.19
Date: 3/22/2008 8:05:15 AM
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Wouldn't that just be reflective of the curve that salarys take as the levels increase?


Yes I agree on this one, but the difference is just too big between a C and a G (can't keep telling this hehe, this is the last time haha )

At this moment it seems it would be much cheaper to build a purely outside based team, (even more since the strength of shooter improved) since those outside players stay well low at their salary but they do get nice ratings.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 3/22/2008 8:06:07 AM

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20034.22 in reply to 20034.21
Date: 3/22/2008 8:18:06 AM
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Can I ask, without wanting to annoy you with questions you have most likely answered already, what positions do you train?

If you are a guard trainer with guards who have 4x+ prom+ skill levels (or maybe better) who has seen this first hand then I will admit my wrong.

I train inside, and my opinions are based purely off the guards I have seen on the market who dont have the levels that my inside trainees do over the same amount of skills.

Until I see proof that a guard with say prom level JS, OD, HN, PA has a considerable lower salary than a center with prom level IS, ID & RDB I just dont see guards having lower salaries on a whole in comparison to inside players.

I realise that the inside players seem to be getting paid more but that could just show that the inside trainers are training their players properly instead of concentrating on improving the 1 skill (JS seems to be all the free agents have)

I can be swayed on this, but until i see the proof of a guard with the same number of skills as a centre with a considerable lower salary I am going to keep on thinking that it is due to the points I raised earlier.

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20034.23 in reply to 20034.21
Date: 3/22/2008 8:21:21 AM
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I dont know why all center trainers start complaining suddenly.

it is way easier to train centers, cause u only have to train 4 skills, compared to 6 skills for a guard. Thats one reason why so many decided to train centers.

probably salaries will be measured by the average of their skills, while more important skills weight more heavily then the others. Therefore a guard with respectable JS and inept rebounding will have a higher salary then a guard with inept JS and respectable rebounding.
Considering this a center will obviously have a higher salary since the only have 4 very important skills.

so if one thing have got to change it is not that guards should have higher salaries, it is that guards need to train faster. then theier salaries will be as high as the salaries of the centers.
e.g. outside shooting trains also 80% Js and vice versa.

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