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It's so sad that you question how we run things in Sweden.

We are pleased of the work Jokehim has done. Results are not all that matters, his passion can't be matched.
My concideration about deals are that they suck. Play by the rules and respect others who don't agree on your low morale.

Same effort in the match and you win with 23 points. We might have done better with man-to-man defense and maybe it was possible to optimize tactics in other ways as well. But truth is that our chances to win with same efforts were very low.

So fair to offer a TIE deal to us where we will loose no matter how well we choose our tactics.

Still you come here crying over me thinking that your country fellow offers a TIE deal and I respond in a way you did not like.

Or can you please give me a tip on how I possibly could win the match for us with same effort in match. You're the champ so surely you can inform me what I should have done ...

Read once again message of our U21 manager in your post! He asked you for a deal, but didn't specify which deal, TIE-normal is also deal. And I think TIE-normal would give you a chance for equal match. That's why he didn't specify it and it was your choice not play on any deal.

I asked our U21 manager for a message he sent to you

Hi,
what about some agreement in monday´s match, we are in difficult groupe, so it´s important to have good Enthusiasm in next matches.

Can you show me, where is written about TIE-TIE?



Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/14/2011 3:13:15 PM

It's so sad that you question how we run things in Sweden.

We are pleased of the work Jokehim has done. Results are not all that matters, his passion can't be matched.
My concideration about deals are that they suck. Play by the rules and respect others who don't agree on your low morale.

First - show me the paragraph in rules which is against effort deals
Second - it's world-wide game, you can't expect the same morale level in each country of the world, something can look imoral for you, but 90% of BB users can't find it imoral

JAg är inte så säker på att de hade gått med på Normal-TIE, men en sån deal hade vi ju inte förlorat på. Som Rüstü Reçber säger så är inte alla "deals" ensidiga. Man kan såklart fortfarande ogilla hela systemet med deals. Men en normal - tie deal skulle ju faktiskt varit positiv för båda.

Tjeckien som kanske tredjeseedat lag i gruppen var mer eller mindre tvingade att vinna dagens match, så de hade väl inga planer på att lira TIE å riskera att torska mot en Crunch. Utan deal var Normal från deras sida rätt given.

När de lirar normal mot oss har vi minimal chans att vinna. Inte ens med crunch blir vi favoriter när vi dessutom har bortaplan.

Så helt utan kontakt med motståndaren skulle jag säga att det är ca 90% chans att de kör normal. Vi har då väldigt liten chans att vinna matchen. Vill vi verkligen vinna så crunchar vi. Men troligen vill vi inte cruncha å slösa ent.

Säg istället att vi bar ahar TIE å Normal att välja på, å vi råkar veta med säkerhet att Tjeckien kör TIE. Vad väljer vi? Troligen normal...

De ger oss lite större chans att vinna matchen i utbyte mot bättre chans för dem att gå till slutspel.

Vi vet ju ingenting med säkerhet här iofs, å för vårt lilla land så kvittar det egentligen. inte ens nu med vår bästa kull på länge är vi i närheten av att gå till slutspel. Så jag ser egentligen ingen mening med att göra deals, men är det som stor-tjecken säger så var det väl kanske inte så väldans fult av de att vilja göra upp om inställningen innan....

Det här va ju rätt intressant :D

(Israel vs TIE deals)
i dont like them i think in the moment you ask another team to do it you get an edge over the other coach that now have to go easy or if you do not answer the other team go normal and then you have to go normal

yesterday i got asked by Hellas coach abut a tie agreement i say yes and i am going normal vs Tie today i see nothing wrong with the way i react and i will do the same again vs any one who will ask me to go tie i will say sure and then go the way i think will be better for my team to win the game

i do need to say this is my way of looking at things i know other Israeli coaches have bean using Tie agreement in the passed and might do so in the future but as far and the upcoming season offer me Tie it will be on your own risk the

Community in Israel some with me in this state of mind and some do not agree with me so think abut it as one season deal :D after it the next coach will do as he pleased

Kan ju säga att israel vann med 1p efter Normal mot Tie :D

Jag är strikt emot alla möjliga deals. Tycker det är riktigt smutsigt spel. Men visst kan man göra TIE mot Normal agreements och det missgynnar inte det svagare laget lika mycket men är lika smutsigt spel oavsett.

Jag hade en mikroskopisk förhoppning att nå en framskjuten plats och dagens match var kanske den enklaste vi hade behövt vinna för att lyckas med detta. Normal mot TIE och man-to-man hade antagligen ändå inte räckt så tror vi hade varit tvungna spela crunch mot TIE. Övervägde crunch men hade kostat mycket för framtida matcher i så fall.

It is not written in his email and my clear interpretation is that he offers a TIE vs TIE deal. Sure he might even want to deal a TIE vs Normal but no matter what do I think that any kind of effort deal is stinks. I have had that agreement since I started with this game and I won't change my mind. In my opinion it should be a clear violation of the rules to offer deals but I know that admins interpret it differently. It really is a huge loss for the game that it is allowed.

That you come here and attack me is just pathetic. You are so desperate to win so you use any kind of bad sportsmannaship to do so. Of course was it a strategical decision to jump at me ahead of match so that I might feel bad and do as you wish.

Jag är också emot såndana deals, även om dom nu är lagliga.

That you come here and attack me is just pathetic. You are so desperate to win so you use any kind of bad sportsmannaship to do so. Of course was it a strategical decision to jump at me ahead of match so that I might feel bad and do as you wish.

I don't understand you as I did it in time the match was already running so there was no time to change anything in our match. So it could influence neither our nor your effort in the match anyway.
I have no problem if someone refuses any deal. But I have problem if someone interprets things in wrong way.

In my opinion it should be a clear violation of the rules to offer deals but I know that admins interpret it differently. It really is a huge loss for the game that it is allowed.

I can't imagine how it could work. Someone would work as deal police? Which way would they look for evidence? In my eyes only possible solution is change in way that no deal is usefull for anyone. I mean change of enthusiasm and effort system so that system works itself without need of any police or other staff.