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271663.14 in reply to 271663.13
Date: 7/30/2015 5:33:52 PM
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Very interesting (and detailed) stuff. I'm planning to use LCD on saturday, but I wasn't planning to leave the backups blank. If you find players playing in multiple positions as backups that would be even more interesting. Its certainly possible, though by no means certain, that apart from your starters the lineup will be treated in the same way LCD used to treat a complete blank.

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Date: 7/31/2015 9:48:14 PM
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Update at the half: LCD thus far hasn't made a single sub. Apparently, players have to be in the depth chart to be selected during regular game time. Looks like I'll be playing these guys for 48 minutes.
Although, it is gearing up to be a blowout, so I'm curious if garbage time subs will take place.
Also, I have a player who might foul out...

Update at the end of the 3rd: LCD did indeed bring in the subs for garbage time with 1:28 remaining in the 3rd. LCD chose viable subs for each position.

Final update: LCD goes into super strategy mode in garbage time, swapping players between positions and subbing very often, using all 7 players in the starting lineup. Seriously, it seemed like there was player movement every single time there was a dead ball.

Last edited by Iguanadon Joe at 7/31/2015 10:44:05 PM

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271663.16 in reply to 271663.13
Date: 8/1/2015 4:39:42 AM
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Clearly he was showing findings.

@Iguanadon Joe
I use SFDC now but previously used LCD in my early seasons. I found that due to the coach making decisions, he'll run what he thinks is right. If there is a huge difference between the starters ability and the designated sub for the same positions ability then I find that the starters minutes do build up (obviously ST could be a factor here, but I've never had high stamina players).

SF was interesting, as those are my usual SF players, just reversed in terms of who was starting. LCD played my regular starter 21 minutes as a sub

Without looking at your team, this finding is quite interesting. 21 minutes for a non-blowout is a lot of minutes for a back up IMO. Maybe there is a gulf between the two SF's abilities?



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Date: 8/1/2015 11:10:42 AM
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SF was interesting, as those are my usual SF players, just reversed in terms of who was starting. LCD played my regular starter 21 minutes as a sub

Without looking at your team, this finding is quite interesting. 21 minutes for a non-blowout is a lot of minutes for a back up IMO. Maybe there is a gulf between the two SF's abilities?


It is certainly more minutes than SFDC would use, but still not favoring the better player overall. I kind of expected LCD to play the better player more minutes regardless of who was the starter. Stamina may be a factor, but I don't think so. Here are the details in: minutes played (starter vs sub), % variance in ability for the starter vs sub at that position, and ST for both players (starter vs sub).

SF: 27-21, -15%, 3-5
SG: 25-23, -40%, 7-5
PF: 34-14, -27%, 4-3
C: 37-11, +16%. 5-3 (My backup PG is actually a better C than my starting PG)
PG: invalid due to foul out.

As you can see, the SG position had the most minutes for the sub along with the biggest talent gap at that position, which makes sense, and the C position followed the inverse rule. PF is a bit of a quandary, as the starter was 27% worse at PF than the sub, but the sub still only played 14 minutes, while the SF starter was 15% worse than the sub, but the sub played 21 minutes.

Note: The ability ratings are based upon a formula I found in the help forums a while back for each position.

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271663.19 in reply to 271663.17
Date: 8/1/2015 5:11:44 PM
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Hard to make conclusions based on a scrimmage, especially with my game shape being all over the place, so I can't assume this would happen in every game I used this lineup, but I don't think I'll be using LCD during the season.

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My SG played 48 minutes, perhaps because his backup was a scrub. My SF played 44, his backup has terrible GS due to an injury. And my PF played 42, there's a dropoff to his backup too, but probably not as much as with the other two.

Like I said, scant evidence of anything, but its possible in a big game, where minutes don't matter and you want your best players on court as long as possible, that LCD might be the way to go.

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Date: 8/1/2015 5:55:24 PM
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Thanks for sharing that game info.
Thus far, I agree with your synopsis that if you want to play your best players as much as you can, LCD is the way to go.
My next test will be to play three deep at each position and see if LCD utilizes all three options when it makes sense.

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271663.21 in reply to 271663.20
Date: 8/6/2015 3:49:25 AM
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Marin admitted openly that CPfDC is bugged. A GM came in and said all of the options are bugged. So there you have it, we're all working to understand how these options work because they are not working as they should, but hopefully they will be fixed at some point.

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Date: 8/6/2015 7:30:54 PM
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Yeah, I've avoided CPFDC since day 1. LCD could be a good option if I can figure out how to set it up so the coach picks and chooses with a bit more freedom than SFDC. It will be interesting to see how my test in tomorrow's PL game goes.

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271663.23 in reply to 271663.22
Date: 8/7/2015 10:04:20 PM
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Alrighty, test #2 is underway, and it does look like LCD does not pull from the pool of reserves. Only backups.

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271663.24 in reply to 271663.23
Date: 8/8/2015 3:42:02 PM
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With no evidence to the contrary I have been running LCD for several seasons.
The option was the best before they fixed the blank lineup situation....did I say fixed?
Anyway without restricting the coach in any way you give yourself the best chance to win.
I will let you know my findings too many friend because that is all I run......LCD that is.

Last edited by BarryS at 8/8/2015 3:42:38 PM

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