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Yes, it is strange. I saw the development last season. And it is more difficult in the sense that if you don´t go direct up, you need to weaken the team for financial reasons. My team last season was much stronger, even so close to going through the cup as the three teams here did.

It is unbelievable there is only 2 points between 1 and 6 in the Blue group!

It's a shame sometimes that there isn't any organised interdivisional play even if if it was as semi-official friendlies a bit like the Division Battles in HatTrick so that the strength in depth at least counted for bragging rights.

Also the OTHER Leagues of Europe conference that has a similar "balance" is the II.3 Great 8. The average match ratings for each team in that compared to your conferences top 7 and myself? :-

12.2 - Fighting Cats
11.8 - Barcelona Chisinau
11.8 - Glasgow Blue Jays
11.7 - The Others
11.6 - Cythreuliaid Conwy
11.5 - Blindhead
11.3 - The Others
11.3 - Revolta Culé, B.C.
11.2 - BC Böðvar
10.9 - Santa Booker
10.6 - Ljónin
10.4 - Celestia BC
10.0 - The Brick Squad
09.3 - Comino Chameleons
09.2 - Locomotive Edinburgh
08.7 - Chicago Bulbs II

If you were ever going to change the pyramids a bit and make Nations of Europe level II only have 1 or 2 divisions instead of 4, they'd likely have game ratings something like that looks.

Other notes: the whole of II.1 only has 1 team averaging 11 or more from the entire division (Devstry) although there is at least some depth there with the best of the rest being about where Ljonin and Celestia are in the above table, the Big 8 conference of II.3 has its 3rd best team averaging 9.0 (so worse than me!), and as for II.4...

Fimbles as you'd expect are strong at 12.0. Next 3 after that:

09.9 Tiraspol State University
09.4 Breiðholt SubSonics
08.8 Cleveland Sparta

That's not for just the conference Fimbles is in by the way, that is for the entire division!

Hello, are there any teams missing from your barometer? Where is my team?

The above teams were from the Great 8 of your division as along with the Big 8 of ours, those are the strongest and deepest conferences in Nations of Europe Division 2 and so the most relevant to the conversation we were having about balance.

I won't do this every game (an end of season bonus feature perhaps) but if a barometer is what you want then here is how every ACTIVE Nations of Europe team compares in game rating as of right now:-

#1 - 15.0 - ESL - Smoki Wawelskie
#2 - 14.1 - ESL - Stomas
#3 - 13.8 - ESL - C.B. Nans
=#4 - 13.5 - ESL - BC Dondel
=#4 - 13.5 - ESL - Wazowski Avengers
#6 - 13.2 - ESL - KamiQazers Team
#7 - 13.1 - ESL - Gibuskus
#8 - 12.9 - II.1 - Devstry
#9 - 12.8 - ESL - Icelandia
#10 - 12.4 - ESL - The Mighty Pheasants
=#11 - 12.3 - ESL - Kotayk
=#11 - 12.3 - II.2 - Glasgow Raptors
=#13 - 12.2 - ESL - Illyrians
=#13 - 12.2 - II.3 - Fighting Cats
#15 - 12.1 - II.4 - Fimbles
#16 - 12.0 - II.3 - Team Scooby
=#17 - 11.8 - II.2 - Glasgow Blue Jays
=#17 -11.8 - II.3 - Barcelona Chisinau
#19 - 11.7 - II.2 - The Others
#20 - 11.6 - II.3 - Cythreuliaid Conwy
#21 - 11.5 - II.3 - Blindhead
#22 - 11.4 - ESL - KB Peja
=#23 - 11.3 - II.2 - Skytturnar
=#23 - 11.3 - II.2 - Revolta Culé, B.C.
#25 - 11.2 - II.2 - BC Böðvar
#26 - 10.9 - II.3 - Santa Booker
=#27 - 10.8 - ESL - Dropito
=#27 - 10.8 - II.1 - Malta Pissedons
=#29 - 10.7 - II.1 - Ucigasii
=#29 - 10.7 - II.1 - The Red Hammers
=#31 - 10.6 - II.1 - Dacia Chisinau
=#31 - 10.6 - II.3 - Ljónin
#33 - 10.5 - II.1 - Bardagkappi
=#34 - 10.4 - ESL - Albanian Lions
=#34 - 10.4 - ESL - Flower of Scotland
=#34 - 10.4 - II.2 - Celestia BC
=#34 - 10.4 - II.3 - Duncan Donuts 2.0
#38 - 10.0 - II.3 - The Brick Squad
=#39 - 09.9 - II.1 - Victoria Killers
=#39 - 09.9 - II.1 - Barcelona Dragons
=#39 - 09.9 - II.4 - Tiraspol State University
=#42 - 09.6 - ESL - Minas Morgul
=#42 - 09.6 - II.1 - Virtus Floriana
=#42 - 09.6 - II.2 - Raging Seagull
#45 - 09.4 - II.4 - Breiðholt SubSonics
#46 - 09.3 - II.3 - Comino Chameleons
#47 - 09.2 - II.2 - Locomotive Edinburgh
#48 - 09.1 - II.1 - Botanical Power
#49 - 09.0 - II.3 - Sporting Club Vikingur
=#50 - 08.9 - II.1 - Olympique Balti
=#50 - 08.9 - II.2 - Apex Legends
=#50 - 08.9 - II.2 - Chicago Bulbs II
=#50 - 08.9 - II.2 - Bibby Brotherhood
=#50 - 08.9 - II.3 - Marflext
=#50 - 08.9 - II.3 - Hawkboys
=#56 - 08.8 - II.1 - Vagharshapat
=#56 - 08.8 - II.4 - Cleveland Sparta
=#58 - 08.7 - II.1 - MT Andorra
=#58 - 08.7 - II.4 - Mackattack
=#60 - 08.4 - II.3 - Berzerkers Ball Club
=#60 - 08.4 - II.4 - Valletta
#62 - 08.1 - II.1 - Xeba Dunks
#63 - 07.9 - II.3 - The Dabberz
#64 - 07.8 - II.4 - BigBunda
#65 - 07.4 - II.4 - Inverness Cats
#66 - 06.8 - II.4 - Banana Tropical
#67 - 06.6 - II.4 - Asociatia Firenze-Chisinau
=#68 - 06.5 - II.4 - Llegendes dAndorra
=#68 - 06.5 - II.4 - Petrocub-Moldova
#70 - 06.1 - II.4 - Minions DAL
#71 - 06.0 - II.4 - Lux
=#72 - 05.7 - II.1 - Rocalux
=#72 - 05.7 - II.2 - Comandaranga
=#72 - 05.7 - II.2 - Yerevan
=#75 - 05.6 - II.2 - Ciocan Lakers
=#75 - 05.6 - III.16 - BBBall
=#75 - 05.6 - III.16 - Luxol
#78 - 05.2 - II.3 - Pic Pedrosa
#79 - 04.7 - III.16 - B.C.Qehaja
=#80 - 04.6 - III.16 - Trepca
=#80 - 04.6 - III.16 - Kings100
#82 - 04.4 - II.1 - CrvJeep
#83 - 03.8 - II.4 - Oxgangs Builders

Game 11 Game Ratings :-

146 - 14.5 - BC Böðvar
138 - 13.4 - Revolta Culé, B.C.
129 - 13.2 - Glasgow Raptors
120 - 11.9 - Chicago Bulbs II
113 - 11.4 - Locomotive Edinburgh
111 - 11.7 - Skytturnar
109 - 11.3 - Bibby Brotherhood
109 - 10.7 - Raging Seagull
105 - 10.9 - Glasgow Blue Jays
105 - 10.2 - The Others
094 - 08.4 - Celestia B.C
092 - 08.1 - Apex Legends
074 - 05.8 - Comandaranga
030 - 04.7 - Ciocan Lakers
029 - 04.7 - Yerevan
027 - 02.7 - Andorra Lock *BOT*

Best team stats of the evening

Points : 131 : Celestia BC
Rebounds : 63 : Glasgow Raptors
Assists : 38 : Celestia BC
Steals : 15 : Celestia BC
Block Shots : 12 : Glasgow Blue Jays, Celestia BC

Best individual stats of the evening

Points : 54 : T. Beaune (TheOthers)
Rebounds : 22 : T. Babici (Ciocan Lakers), C. Frans (Celestia BC)
Assists : 14 : T. Babici (Ciocan Lakers)
Steals : 6 : Z. Bohchalyan (Yerevan), V. Autried (Celestia BC)
Block Shots : 3 : Í. Mattason (Skytturnar), A. Kerr (Locomotive Edinburgh), G. MacCalmont (Locomotive Edinburgh), S. O'Connor (Glasgow Blue Jays), J. Friðbergsson (BC Böðvar), T. Babici (Ciocan Lakers), A. Herrington (TheOthers), V. Autried (Celestia BC), C. Frans (Celestia BC)

Best efficiency by main position of the evening

Point Guard : V. Autried (Celestia BC) (26 Points, 7 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 6 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 40
Shooting Guard : P. Kudyba (Glasgow Blue Jays) (26 Points, 7 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 0 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 35
Small Forward : T. Beaune (TheOthers) (54 Points, 16 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 52
Power Forward : I. Davíðsson (BC Böðvar) (30 Points, 14 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 3 Steals, 0 Block Shots), T. Babici (Ciocan Lakers) (16 Points, 22 Rebounds, 14 Assists, 1 Steals, 3 Block Shots), C. Frans (Celestia BC) (24 Points, 22 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 2 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 40
Center : P. Sisk (Celestia BC) (34 Points, 17 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 2 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 48

Game 12 Game Ratings:-

155 - 15.6 - Glasgow Blue Jays
151 - 13.7 - Celestia BC
145 - 14.8 - Revolta Culé, B.C.
143 - 14.9 - BC Böðvar
135 - 13.3 - Skytturnar
128 - 12.7 - Glasgow Raptors
123 - 10.9 - Locomotive Edinburgh
121 - 12.3 - Chicago Bulbs II
116 - 12.0 - The Others
103 - 10.6 - Raging Seagull
095 - 10.8 - Bibby Brotherhood
091 - 08.1 - Apex Legends
081 - 06.6 - Yerevan
066 - 05.2 - Comandaranga
038 - 04.4 - Ciocan Lakers
025 - 02.4 - Andorra Lock *BOT*

Best team stats of the evening

Points : 133 : Revolta Culé, B.C.
Rebounds : 76 : chicago bulbs II
Assists : 44 : chicago bulbs II
Steals : 13 : Revolta Culé, B.C.
Block Shots : 17 : Glasgow Raptors

Best individual stats of the evening

Points : 36 : S. Óðinsson (chicago bulbs II)
Rebounds : 21 : D. Ovagemyan (TheOthers), N. Hili (Raging Seagull)
Assists : 14 : Ó. Ásgeirsson (chicago bulbs II)
Steals : 4 : C. Detroyer (Revolta Culé, B.C.)
Block Shots : 6 : D. MacMaurice (Glasgow Raptors)

Best efficiency by main position of the evening

Point Guard : M. Auðunsson (chicago bulbs II) (34 Points, 9 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 2 Steals, 4 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 45
Shooting Guard : F. Pisoni (chicago bulbs II) (17 Points, 13 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 0 Steals, 5 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 32
Small Forward : D. Dowling (TheOthers) (34 Points, 9 Rebounds, 10 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 40
Power Forward : H. Svavarsson (BC Böðvar) (22 Points, 10 Rebounds, 13 Assists, 2 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 43
Center : S. Óðinsson (chicago bulbs II) (36 Points, 16 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 0 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 52

Bonus Statistic (In order Team efficiency +/- per game, opposition efficiency +/- per game, efficiency difference per game) :-

186.9 057.3 129.6 Glasgow Raptors
154.2 070.6 083.6 Revolta Culé, B.C.
148.7 072.8 075.9 BC Böðvar
141.0 072.7 068.3 Glasgow Blue Jays
134.6 078.8 055.8 Celestia BC
142.9 095.3 047.6 Skytturnar
129.0 084.9 044.1 Chicago bulbs II
142.7 099.5 043.2 TheOthers
106.0 102.1 003.9 Locomotive Edinburgh
113.6 113.0 000.6 Bibby Brotherhood
094.2 106.4 -012.2 Apex Legends
107.0 139.9 -032.9 Raging Seagull
054.2 148.8 -094.6 Comandaranga
053.7 154.3 -100.6 Yerevan
038.6 149.4 -110.8 Ciocan Lakers
008.7 210.0 -201.3 Andorra Lock

Game 13 Game Ratings:-

141 - 14.3 - Revolta Culé, B.C.
140 - 13.0 - Glasgow Raptors
138 - 14.7 - Celestia BC
136 - 14.1 - Glasgow Blue Jays
134 - 14.1 - BC Böðvar
126 - 11.9 - Chicago Bulbs II
125 - 10.9 - Locomotive Edinburgh
115 - 12.3 - The Others
115 - 11.8 - Skytturnar
112 - 11.6 - Bibby Brotherhood
104 - 11.3 - Raging Seagull
097 - 08.4 - Apex Legends
073 - 06.4 - Yerevan
072 - 05.9 - Comandaranga
042 - 05.2 - Ciocan Lakers
027 - 02.6 - Andorra Lock *BOT*

Best team stats of the evening

Points : 148 : Raging Seagull
Rebounds : 66 : Locomotive Edinburgh
Assists : 43 : TheOthers
Steals : 13 : TheOthers
Block Shots : 13 : Raging Seagull, Locomotive Edinburgh

Best individual stats of the evening

Points : 44 : T. Bonavia (Raging Seagull)
Rebounds : 25 : A. Herrington (TheOthers)
Assists : 13 : S. O'Connor (Glasgow Blue Jays), A. Unnsteinsson (BC Böðvar)
Steals : 5 : W. Atlason (Bibby Brotherhood)
Block Shots : 6 : Ó. Ásgeirsson (chicago bulbs II)

Best efficiency by main position of the evening

Point Guard : J. Varletta (Glasgow Blue Jays) (24 Points, 2 Rebounds, 9 Assists, 0 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 30
Shooting Guard : Þ. Þorgrímsson (BC Böðvar) (32 Points, 3 Rebounds, 8 Assists, 2 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 32
Small Forward : T. Bonavia (Raging Seagull) (44 Points, 7 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 1 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 41
Power Forward : N. Humphries (Glasgow Blue Jays) (30 Points, 8 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 2 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 41
Center : A. Herrington (TheOthers) (24 Points, 25 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 0 Steals, 5 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 57

Game 14 Game Ratings:-

157 - 17.3 - Celestia BC
156 - 14.3 - Glasgow Blue Jays
147 - 13.8 - Glasgow Raptors
144 - 14.0 - Skytturnar
139 - 13.7 - BC Böðvar
137 - 13.5 - Revolta Culé, B.C.
126 - 12.7 - Chicago Bulbs II
124 - 12.0 - The Others
111 - 10.4 - Raging Seagull
108 - 11.3 - Bibby Brotherhood
107 - 10.0 - Locomotive Edinburgh
094 - 08.2 - Apex Legends
067 - 05.3 - Comandaranga
042 - 05.0 - Yerevan
037 - 05.4 - Ciocan Lakers
026 - 03.3 - Andorra Lock *BOT*

Best team stats of the evening

Points : 140 : Celestia BC
Rebounds : 67 : Revolta Culé, B.C., TheOthers
Assists : 56 : Revolta Culé, B.C.
Steals : 11 : Celestia BC
Block Shots : 12 : Celestia BC

Best individual stats of the evening

Points : 56 : H. Svavarsson (BC Böðvar)
Rebounds : 20 : W. Buchan (Locomotive Edinburgh)
Assists : 17 : T. Babici (Ciocan Lakers)
Steals : 4 : C. Finnegan (Ciocan Lakers)
Block Shots : 4 : O. Jan Ning (Glasgow Blue Jays), C. Ke Yang (Celestia BC), V. Sundaram (Celestia BC)

Best efficiency by main position of the evening

Point Guard : D. Gràcia (Revolta Culé, B.C.) (32 Points, 6 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 37
Shooting Guard : M. Purice (Ciocan Lakers) (48 Points, 10 Rebounds, 7 Assists, 1 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 45
Small Forward : H. Svavarsson (BC Böðvar) (56 Points, 14 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 3 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 61
Power Forward : T. Babici (Ciocan Lakers) (10 Points, 17 Rebounds, 17 Assists, 2 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 45
Center : W. Buchan (Locomotive Edinburgh) (35 Points, 20 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 0 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 43

Game 15 Game Ratings:-

155 - 14.7 - Glasgow Raptors
148 - 15.4 - Celestia BC
147 - 14.1 - Glasgow Blue Jays
138 - 14.7 - BC Böðvar
138 - 13.3 - Revolta Culé, B.C.
123 - 12.6 - Skytturnar
120 - 11.9 - The Others
113 - 11.1 - Locomotive Edinburgh
112 - 10.7 - Raging Seagull
110 - 10.7 - Chicago Bulbs II
101 - 11.5 - Bibby Brotherhood
098 - 08.4 - Apex Legends
074 - 06.0 - Comandaranga
041 - 04.3 - Ciocan Lakers
037 - 04.7 - Yerevan
027 - 02.4 - Andorra Lock *BOT*

Best team stats of the evening

Points : 134 : BC Böðvar
Rebounds : 63 : BC Böðvar, Celestia BC
Assists : 49 : Skytturnar
Steals : 18 : Locomotive Edinburgh
Block Shots : 17 : BC Böðvar

Best individual stats of the evening

Points : 37 : M. Purice (Ciocan Lakers)
Rebounds : 22 : T. Witek (TheOthers)
Assists : 12 : J. Varletta (Glasgow Blue Jays)
Steals : 4 : A. Unnsteinsson (BC Böðvar), D. MacMurchie (Locomotive Edinburgh), M. Sagués (Comandaranga)
Block Shots : 6 : K. Axelsson (BC Böðvar)

Best efficiency by main position of the evening

Point Guard : D. Meyer-Heegen (Celestia BC) (36 Points, 12 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 2 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 48
Shooting Guard : H. Svavarsson (BC Böðvar) (34 Points, 10 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 2 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 41
Small Forward : K. Axelsson (BC Böðvar) (25 Points, 9 Rebounds, 10 Assists, 2 Steals, 6 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 49
Power Forward : I. Davíðsson (BC Böðvar) (26 Points, 15 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 2 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 48
Center : W. Buchan (Locomotive Edinburgh) (30 Points, 18 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 3 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 45

Incredible. There are 2 points between 1 - 6 place in the blue one!

This division is absolutely stacked. I think Celestia are a dark horse to win a BBM trophy this season as well if they stay healthy.