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First of all, welcome to Buzzerbeater! Even if you don't see that it is abuse, it is abuse! How would you react, if you are not able to sell players for about one Season, because someone "don't like you" and act like kozlodoev said. You probably would ask, why it is possible to withdraw bids. But just go on to the next point...

You don't know why it could bancrupt a manager, if someone else withdraws his bid. You probably dont know, that you are able to spent the money from bids on your players as soon as the bid is made, even if the player is still in your roster. When you now start to bid on another player, with the money that you virtualy already have and someone the bid on your player is deleted, you have to withdraw your own bid. So it looks like we wont see any transfers in the future. Or even worse... if you are not able to login after the withdraw, but you still buy the other player... then you are in debt... and no worst case ;) ... now your "friend" from above dont let you make a transfer...
I dont think, that all of these things would happen... it is just to show you what could happen if you are able to withdraw your bids.

The other aspect you mentioned is, that you weren't told the value of the players. Here I will just ask you two questions:

1) Did you ask for help in the forum, like you did it with this topic here?
2) When you want to buy an new notebook, do you just go into the next shop and buy the first one? Or do you compare several notebooks and different shops?

I know that BB is not real life... but thats not the point for me. Even here in Buzzerbeater you have to live with the consequences for your doings.


Yogi

The continued I didn't know defense doesn't get it done. What you are saying is because you didn't take the time to familiarize yourself with the game everyone else has to let you have a do over. Doesn't work that way it's like ebay don't bid unless you are positive you want to buy. Research, ask questions, read the rules and then proceed.You may as well chalk it up to a live and learn experience. I think just about everyone has had a deal where they said if I had held off another few hours or another day, that other player that was listed later would have been so much better for my team.

Buzzerbeater is a long-run game where strategy plays a significant role. You just got your first lesson about why rash action is bad. Congratulations.

I didn't really get to grips with the game until about halfway through my second season, by which time I realised I'd made a handful of mistakes. Luckily, I was doing well on the court and ploughed significant dollar into expanding my arena which kind of helped. I wish I'd have made your small mistakes in the first place, I may have learned quicker.

With the better economy structure, the transfer compare and incredibly active forums, there really isn't any reason to overbid on a player unless you deliberately do so. If there isn't a transfer compare available on a player, chances are he's way too expensive/skilled for a new team anyway. Looking at your team transfers, it's not like you've wasted a massive amount on new players anyway, so you shouldn't suffer that much.

I don't really understand how you can be sure you could get better player for the same amount of cash. If they were such bargains someone other would probably overbid you (remeber the 3 minute rule - prize could go even more higher).
If a team with a big star is abandoned the stat hit the market as FA. Then you can bid 1K to get him. But it doesn't mean you will get him for 1K, he will be bought for a couple of milions if he is that good.
So you probabkly didn't that bad.

It would be very prone to abuse the other way and I would strongly reconsider if I want to play a game which implements such bad mechanics. Luckily it doesn't.

Did the players for whom you bid have transfer price estimates?

Yes they did. However at the time I knew nothing of them. Also once I found out it was still very difficult for me to locate them, it should be more clear in my opinion.

Last edited by TruestBaller at 11/8/2008 12:52:39 PM

First of all, welcome to Buzzerbeater! Even if you don't see that it is abuse, it is abuse! How would you react, if you are not able to sell players for about one Season, because someone "don't like you" and act like kozlodoev said. You probably would ask, why it is possible to withdraw bids. But just go on to the next point...

You don't know why it could bancrupt a manager, if someone else withdraws his bid. You probably dont know, that you are able to spent the money from bids on your players as soon as the bid is made, even if the player is still in your roster. When you now start to bid on another player, with the money that you virtualy already have and someone the bid on your player is deleted, you have to withdraw your own bid. So it looks like we wont see any transfers in the future. Or even worse... if you are not able to login after the withdraw, but you still buy the other player... then you are in debt... and no worst case ;) ... now your "friend" from above dont let you make a transfer...
I dont think, that all of these things would happen... it is just to show you what could happen if you are able to withdraw your bids.

The other aspect you mentioned is, that you weren't told the value of the players. Here I will just ask you two questions:

1) Did you ask for help in the forum, like you did it with this topic here?
2) When you want to buy an new notebook, do you just go into the next shop and buy the first one? Or do you compare several notebooks and different shops?

I know that BB is not real life... but thats not the point for me. Even here in Buzzerbeater you have to live with the consequences for your doings.


Yogi

Thanks for the welcome. And I don't understand your first point, if somebody doesn't like you they wouldn't buy a player from you so they wouldn't bid. I don't get it.

I understand your next point, however with the withdrawal tool implemented more rules would obviously have to be implemented. For example BB could implement a feature where in the case you mentioned you wouldn't buy the player because it wouldn't allow you to go into debt from this situation.

1) I had some difficulty going around the forum to ask so I didn't. I bid assuming that it's obvious that withdrawal would be permitted. Seeing how it is in reality.
2) What if you were just born and you want to buy the notebook. You don't know the price of notebooks and don't know how to navigate around to see average notebook prices. Plus it's called a refund.

I realize that mate, however I just think this is a really realistic tool that must be added. I mean seriously, especially for beginners. Maybe just for members who have been members for a week or so?

The continued I didn't know defense doesn't get it done. What you are saying is because you didn't take the time to familiarize yourself with the game everyone else has to let you have a do over. Doesn't work that way it's like ebay don't bid unless you are positive you want to buy. Research, ask questions, read the rules and then proceed.You may as well chalk it up to a live and learn experience. I think just about everyone has had a deal where they said if I had held off another few hours or another day, that other player that was listed later would have been so much better for my team.

Hey mate, I understand what you're saying however this is the thing. BB is formatted really strangely and I found it pretty difficult to "research" these things. Plus me being a supporter for only a limited time I want to get new players that I can press blog about and get new players so my first game can be a success. I mean I would've researched, however it's not as simple as that for beginners.

You don't see how this is abuse? Let's recap: I am selling a player that is worth $3,000,000, and it doesn't sell, because someone blocked the bidding with $5,000,000 that he was then able to conveniently withdraw. If you don't see how this is abuse, I really can't help you muh.

And you're absolutely right -- no-one tells you or will tell you how to play the game. It's up to you to discover. You decided to spend money before bothering to figure out what the prices are on the market? I don't see how the system is to blame here.

Buzzerbeater is a long-run game where strategy plays a significant role. You just got your first lesson about why rash action is bad. Congratulations.

Well first of all I don't see how somebody bidding $5.000.000 is blocking the deal. If somebody wanted that player that bad and bid over the $5.000.000 they are willing to pay that price and there's nothing wrong. Plus my idea is to only implement withdrawal to beginners for a little bit of time so they realize value. That way cheating wouldn't be happening.

I realize it's up to us to discover, however I'd prefer to find a treasure with a map then find it while enduring difficult obstacles. And I did try and figure out how the transfer market worked, and as I mentioned BB's format is a tad strange. Anyway it's an assumption that's easy enough to make. Make a bid and change your mind. It's realistic and shouldn't this game be realistic?

I guess I did learn the hard way, although it could've been easier if I was told there's no bid withdrawal right when I joined.

I didn't really get to grips with the game until about halfway through my second season, by which time I realised I'd made a handful of mistakes. Luckily, I was doing well on the court and ploughed significant dollar into expanding my arena which kind of helped. I wish I'd have made your small mistakes in the first place, I may have learned quicker.

With the better economy structure, the transfer compare and incredibly active forums, there really isn't any reason to overbid on a player unless you deliberately do so. If there isn't a transfer compare available on a player, chances are he's way too expensive/skilled for a new team anyway. Looking at your team transfers, it's not like you've wasted a massive amount on new players anyway, so you shouldn't suffer that much.

You're right, however I'd prefer not to make any mistakes then small mistakes. Cheers on your contribution to the thread!