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Look, if we tought we weren't capable of managing the English NT, we would not be here. I don't think it takes a lot to be able to spy the other teams. Afterall, it's part of managing a club team. So I don't know what the problem is.

2nd It wasn't me who started saying that english comunity was inactive and disinterested



You certainly have repeated it though.

Well, so you are saying that everyone here insulted the english comunity. Don't try to make me say things that I didn't said.



I said I created a good player, not a great player. And remember 1 thing. He's 20 year old. Were you expecting me to have a triple 16 center with 20 years?

I talk about the "bad things" about your club team because it illustrates my concerns. You haven't played long enough to have any "good things" happen for me to talk about yet.

You know that I wasn't talking about club team but staff team...

Astragoth hasn't one what? A team? Look at his roster, compare it to yours. Look at his team ratings, compare it to yours. I haven't looked that deeply, but I would guess he's got scrimmages with higher ratings than your team put up in the finals. So yes, I do feel he has more experience with players of U-21 NT caliber than you do, hence my comments. If I mis-understood your P.S. point, please re-state it.

Once again, you tried to make me stupid by pretending not to understand my question. Seriously, try not to avoid questions, because it seems like you don't want to expose your friends "bad things" and don't want to talk about Fenomeno's list "good things"

@ Astragoth

Just want to say that I did manage to get a player into the U21 chilean team in season 8 and 9. Not a starter, but he played enough games. It is kinda funny, because many players say players for U21 NT should be single position trained, he wasnt, and I even trained 6 players a week :) and still managed to get him in the U21 team... I must have done something right.

well, if I had a Vietnam player, maybe 1 could get him in the NT by training 3 positions. It depends a lot on the value of the team

But look. It's already difficult to convince someone to train one position. So it will be more difficult to a coach who doenst train 1 position to convince someone to do it. It would be like "yeah, if you don't train it it's because it's not good to me to do it"

So yeah, I think largely your approach is the right way to go. Don't try and force something down anyones throat, but set up a working relationship with the owner and bring the player up together as much as possible. Contact them often if anything just to let them know you're still around if they have questions etc.

That is why I would select a few players too that arent fully ready yet to play but are close, to the U21 team. That way every time the coach logs in and sees the little flag next to the guys stats in his own swuad it will remind them that the players is close to get into the U21 team. i know it might sound far fetched, but I do think it could make a small but large enough difference. I might be wrong, but only time can tell...

So yeah, I think largely your approach is the right way to go. Don't try and force something down anyones throat, but set up a working relationship with the owner and bring the player up together as much as possible. Contact them often if anything just to let them know you're still around if they have questions etc.

That was what I was hoping to hear. When I said that, you all were sying that that was already tried and with no success.
But now that it's Astragoth saying, that's the right way to go? OMG

I don't think it takes a lot to be able to spy the other teams. Afterall, it's part of managing a club team. So I don't know what the problem is.

There's a difference between scouting a team, and scouting a team well. You haven't played a level of competition in BB yet I think to know the difference. In lower divisions almost all teams are one dimensional, playing the same tactics nearly every game. At the NT level a team can play any tactic in a given match, so it's much more in-depth.

I said I created a good player, not a great player. And remember 1 thing. He's 20 year old. Were you expecting me to have a triple 16 center with 20 years?

Why would I expect that? I was purely stating that making one decent player doesn't make you a good trainer. As a friend of mine says, even a blind squirrel will sometimes find a nut.

You know that I wasn't talking about club team but staff team...

Actually no, I didn't. But as I've said before, you've named 3 people. Two of which don't have the experience I'd prefer to consider voting for them, and the 3rd doesn't seem to have the time to put into the job to be effective at it.

Once again, you tried to make me stupid by pretending not to understand my question. Seriously, try not to avoid questions, because it seems like you don't want to expose your friends "bad things" and don't want to talk about Fenomeno's list "good things"

I haven't tried to make you (sound) stupid, and I haven't tried to avoid a question at all. IF you're referring to this..

PS: You are talking about my team, but Astragoth hasn't one

I had to take a guess at what you meant, as it's an incomplete statement. There is no actual question there. I even said at the end of my paragraph responding to it:

If I mis-understood your P.S. point, please re-state it.

How is it avoiding your question when I tried to answer you even though you couldn't be bothered to spell out a question? On top of that I even asked for clarification?!?!?!???

Again, as I said earlier, Astragoth isn't my friend. I don't know the guy, and before this thread had never communicated with him in any way to the best of my recollection. As for femeno's list *good things*.. what list are you referring to?

Recap: I've stated my problems with your "team". Lack of experience of 2 of the members, lack of time/interest for the 3rd. PLEASE tell me, as I've asked many times, why I or anyone else should vote for you over someone local (at least has an English team), who has more experience than you do?

But look. It's already difficult to convince someone to train one position. So it will be more difficult to a coach who doenst train 1 position to convince someone to do it. It would be like "yeah, if you don't train it it's because it's not good to me to do it"

That was what I was hoping to hear. When I said that, you all were sying that that was already tried and with no success.
But now that it's Astragoth saying, that's the right way to go? OMG

Earlier this was brought up and I asked what else you would do that hadn't already been done, but you'd ignored my request. So how do you propose to get these users to train efficiently for the NT? Astragoth and I were having a discussion about it, did you have something to add that wasn't already said by one of us? Maybe asking again will get a response?

Last edited by dabomby at 9/10/2009 12:38:15 PM

Look. I'm tired of this I've said hundreds of times what I wanted to do. If you can´t read, that's not my problem. Maybe you can't understand what I'm saying because I can't speak english...

I'llsay this again. When I said we would talk to every coach to help them everyone said it had been done and it hadn't work. When Astragoth said the same as I did, it was a great idea. Why?

You said our staff team isn't the best because of unexperience and time. Astrogoth hasn't one. How will he get time to do everything by his own?

If you can´t read, that's not my problem.

I can read quite well actually, tyvm. And if I couldn't it WOULD be your problem, because thats part of the job of an NT manager. To communicate with the community. To take criticism in a positive light and try to improve because of it. Every NT manager I've known has gotten more than their fair share of criticism, as I'm sure elboss, elmacca, and many others can tell you.

Maybe you can't understand what I'm saying because I can't speak english...

I'm starting to fear that may be the case, at least not well enough to do this job well.

I'llsay this again. When I said we would talk to every coach to help them everyone said it had been done and it hadn't work. When Astragoth said the same as I did, it was a great idea. Why?

It HAS been done. It HAS NOT worked. That doesn't make it any less a good idea. What I (and others) had asked you previously was what ELSE you were going to do, as you were implying strongly that you could get these users to see things your way. You never answered those questions as to how you would do that.

You said our staff team isn't the best because of unexperience and time. Astrogoth hasn't one. How will he get time to do everything by his own?

Actually, with the automation of player scouting and tracking having been setup the way it has (thanks former/current managers) I do believe the position can be done by one person, and successfully.

What Astragoth has to the best of my knowledge is both experience and time. Your 3man team consists of 2 people with time but no experience, and one person with experience but no time.

If the division 1 manager had applied for the job himself, I would have been very intersted in hearing what he has to say. He doesn't have the time to run the team and do the things the experienced person needs to do though, as you yourself have said.

guys, can someone please explain to me why he is referring all the time as me being alone. He really doesnt read posts, doesnt understand for whatever reason or he doesnt want too.

I said that I am not alone. My BB buddy ardain will help me scout players when and where is needed, however it seems most off this is fully or nearly fully automated. I have about 6 hours a day time to contact other coahces etc with regards to their players, cant see how I cant do this and with regards to running to the team, I have already stated that I am not alone in that either. I am sure that Waggyrob (former NT coach) the current NT coach, my BB buddy Soel, Elmacca and several others from the english community (like for example bomby) will be more than happy to voice their input when being asked and even when not being asked :)

In case your english isnt gooed enough. Waggyrob, ardain and soel have said when I asked them they would help. This means they are part off the team. I am certain that there will be healthy teamwork between me and elboss and I do know that Elmacca has said he would be more than happy for me to ask him when I need his opinion and when time permits.

How much bigger team do you need me to take?

I've already said what ELSE I was going to do. I'll remember you of Training game, Mentor System and Betting game. Do you remember it now?



Other thing. Astragoth was saying that he would put new players in front of the results. In that case, there's no need of experienced managers to run this NT since the only thing that mathers is creating new players

that's probably my fault.

I used to joke about HCA and then lo and behold Phil won the consolation tournament and for while we did actually have HCA. But Waggy went 4-2 with it and missed out from going through on points difference a shade unluckily.

BTW, I was a buzzerbeater away from beating Sweden, so if we've got no chance against them now, things have definitely gone downhill since then.