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- the Italian community (taking it momentarily as a single voice, which it isn't, really, but let that pass) is right that teams in smaller league have an advantage: promoting to division II in Italy is as hard as winning some countries' top division.

But adjusting the income of teams in smaller nations wouldnt make it any easier for teams in Italy. It would be just as hard to promote as before:-)


Oh, and a couple of days ago i put up a list of the biggest BB-nations. Theese are the nations above 500 users:

España:5364
Italia:3855
Polska:2820
USA:2119
Türkiye:1761
Lietuva:1654
France:1500
Eesti:1280
Portugal:1144
Argentina:1137
Philippines:1128
Deutchland:1085
Hellas:1001
Magyarország:917
China: 864
Brasil:821
Latvija:807
Suomi:764
Rossiya:750
Slovenija:726
Srbija:648
België:602
Hrvatska:600
Bosna i Hercegovina:594
România:565
Chile:510

And that is a grand total of about 35000 teams out of BBs 43600 users.

I actually spent the last hour reading this entire post, and therefore by enduring the agony I get to throw in my two cents (tax it at will)

Someone spoke of competition at an international level. This doesnt have a whole lot to do with money except in the level of trainer. You cant buy National players, only train yes? Therefore larger team bases will be more likely to produce international winners. Like in the real world.

Other than this, what does it matter if the top team in Andorra has more money than the top team in Italy? I mean really (pride is not a valid response). Someone suggested that we all compete on the TL. Yes, we do, and that cash flows in both directions. Maybe you will get lucky and have some Andorran overbid on YOUR transfer. Not such a bad deal now is it? How many Andorran juggernauts are there flooding the market?

Building an arena is an actual strategy, and if you didnt use it when you had the chance and are falling behind, so be it. No teams spot is 'saved' for them in thier series. If you must relegate to Div II to build your arena, and it is tough to get back to DI I say A) so what, enjoy the competition in DII and the challenge of getting back up. If you are good enough you will make it, right? and B)Perhaps time to rethink the old strategy? Adapt and overcome?

I am a late comer to the game and sorry for it. The guys who have been playing since the biggining should have an edge over me. I will be more than miffed if some new team who starts in season 15 gets bumped up to my level just to even the playing field. I came late, and I have some catching up to do. I am going to enjoy the challenge and the competition wherever I am at the moment. And yes I want to win. Bad.

Game right?


Edit: And to respond to the original poster and the original topic, I agree, free agents arent really needed.

Last edited by Heathcoat at 1/26/2009 5:10:53 AM

Other than this, what does it matter if the top team in Andorra has more money than the top team in Italy? I mean really (pride is not a valid response). Someone suggested that we all compete on the TL. Yes, we do, and that cash flows in both directions. Maybe you will get lucky and have some Andorran overbid on YOUR transfer. Not such a bad deal now is it? How many Andorran juggernauts are there flooding the market?

Not all the Andorran(for example) managers are noob,the best andorran managers have great advantage over the best italian or french managers on the TL,this is the point

And this thread is not Italy against the rest of the world,we're only tryng to make our contribute to this great game

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 1/26/2009 10:46:53 AM

I only used Italy as an example, as they are the biggest, and we are talking big vs small.

Did you read the portion you quoted? The money goes both ways. Yes he may be able to outbid you on the player you want. He may also be able to outbid me on the player you are selling. Again what does it matter if he is able to aquire a better player, you dont ever play him right?

I never said anything about Andorrans or anyone being noob. My point is that (the very few) Andorrans who can outbid you can also put more money in your coffers. How often is it that you get outbid on a player by some cash rich Andorran (for example)? Are you sure it's just not because you want to say you have the most money or something? Sorry, I just dont see some huge injustice here. Again, unless in some wild circumstance it comes down to you and some Andorran tycoon in the finals of BBB, you arent going to play the guy and the people you do play are under the same set of 'injustices'.

if someone overbid very much(not 100-200k) on a my player,i'll have a TPA
and these money return to the system,the good andorran manager who can uses well the situation of lack of competitivity in his country can make a lot of money and uses it to make a great team,so he'll dominate in his country for a lot of time(and this is not good to induce to play the users of this country and in this way the gap of competitivity betwwen championship will never close and this situation will continue for a lot of time

Of course I am not talking about illegal overbids.

So your concern is for the incoming new Andorran managers then?

Of course I am not talking about illegal overbids.

So your concern is for the incoming new Andorran managers then?

my concern is that only few users will have great adavntages if a similar situation are going to be for many season in these countries,and this could damage the users of other countries on TL and the users of their countiry because for them it will be impossibile to compete with these "superteams"

What I think many people forget is:

Most of the teams in the established countries experienced something which new teams wont:

Faster training during Seasons 3 to 5 (I think it was these seasons).

That alone caused the talent gap between old division 1 teams and new division 1 teams in new countries to be quite big and it won't close down, if ever.

I actually spent the last hour reading this entire post, and therefore by enduring the agony I get to throw in my two cents (tax it at will)

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No tax. Excellent post.

I understand that it will be hard for a new team in a small country to catch up to an established 'superteam'. However I would gladly trade places with them. As a new team in Div IV USA the gap between my team and the top USA teams is groing wider as you read this. Not only do they make more money (and yes I understand they also spend more money just to stay status quo), they also are training faster and therefore improving faster. As time goes by it will become harder and harder to promote, not easier. If I am a new team in (for example) Andorra, sure I have a lot of catching up to do, but I can also earn DI money and have little fear of relegation (relegate where?) so I can build up my program considerably faster as a new Andorran team than I ever will be able to as a new American (or Italian) team. Personally I dont think your worries are completely shared by new smaller based teams. Putting restrictions on the top Andorran superteam will also restrict the new andorran team, yes?

Honestly, and not trying to be rude just trying to see what the real problem is, I think the teams from the bigger countries that are concerned about this are so for self-motivated reasons. You are afraid some guy will outbid you on bargains and cut into your skilltrading revenue.

I have given reasons and examples for how the extra money from these smaller based countries works both ways, can help the economy as much as it hurts. And your response is only that it is unfair. I ask how?

If I am a new team in (for example) Andorra, sure I have a lot of catching up to do, but I can also earn DI money and have little fear of relegation (relegate where?) so I can build up my program considerably faster as a new Andorran team than I ever will be able to as a new American (or Italian) team

that's exactly my point
but i'm not "afraid some guy will outbid me on bargains"
in fact, this is happening since i started playing 16 months ago

I have given reasons and examples for how the extra money from these smaller based countries works both ways, can help the economy as much as it hurts. And your response is only that it is unfair. I ask how?

you say that extra money works both ways, it's not true
they get money faster (you said it) for free, i can only get their money by selling them my players