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198973.142 in reply to 198973.140
Date: 10/27/2011 1:19:07 PM
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Go read this again. (198973.81) That's why the current system is better. Your next responses show you are just swinging in the dark. Not really understanding anything people are saying. Just like every post you make.

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198973.143 in reply to 198973.128
Date: 10/27/2011 2:09:39 PM
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The suggestion has pretty much been flogged to death. Let's try to introduce some new points of view (pro or con) in a friendly manner or close the discussion which has been a bit disrespectful for about 100 posts.

No success I am afraid. There is no point wasting everyone's time by going over the same arguments over and over again. Let's close this.

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198973.144 in reply to 198973.143
Date: 12/6/2011 9:03:40 AM
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I would just like to add this could be a way to make some money from players who want the auto bid function which in turn could be used to develop the game faster and better in other ways. So even those that disagree with this idea may still benefit more generally in other ways.

I think its also worth remembering that the opinions of forum posters aren't necessarily representative of the bb community as a whole. Those with less time/who don't like using forums could be more likely to want an auto bid function.
Also as both a buyer and seller if players I cannot see a disadvantage to auto bidding because I wil bid what I think a player is worth to me in any case. However I know not all players do this and I wouldnt mind the extra competition when buying as I know the same competition will be there when i sell with autobid

Thanks

From: CrazyEye

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198973.145 in reply to 198973.144
Date: 12/6/2011 10:29:34 AM
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I would just like to add this could be a way to make some money from players who want the auto bid function which in turn could be used to develop the game faster and better in other ways. So even those that disagree with this idea may still benefit more generally in other ways.


i am quite sure, i said it before i don't like a system where humans could be forced to be in a bidwar with the machines like here.

Also i think this would be more then a comfort feature, and would give game advantage over people who couldn't do it even when it is just a slight one.

For me personally i think both system could work, but you should have only one of it.

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198973.146 in reply to 198973.145
Date: 12/6/2011 10:48:31 AM
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I would just like to add this could be a way to make some money from players who want the auto bid function which in turn could be used to develop the game faster and better in other ways. So even those that disagree with this idea may still benefit more generally in other ways.


i am quite sure, i said it before i don't like a system where humans could be forced to be in a bidwar with the machines like here.

Also i think this would be more then a comfort feature, and would give game advantage over people who couldn't do it even when it is just a slight one.

For me personally i think both system could work, but you should have only one of it.
Because it is much "fair" to bid against less users, or those who just put a single bid and go to sleep/work/other.
I strongly suggest that you will try eBay. It has all what you wish for...

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198973.147 in reply to 198973.146
Date: 12/6/2011 11:17:23 AM
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maybe i find a pini-real world translator there.

From: Fluff

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198973.148 in reply to 198973.145
Date: 12/6/2011 11:20:19 AM
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Humans wont be bidding against machines they'll be bidding against managers who type in what value that player is worth to them. This benefits all sellers equally and we are all sellers at one time or other.

A good system is one where in practice all managers enter the value of the player to them. Otherwise the outcome is not optimal. All this is covered in economic game theory.

Another advantage is that there may be less ridiculous reserve prices on players. If more players are bought and sold as a result then teams are more able to change efficiently.

it is only natural that those managers with the most time (typically those that post in forums) are protective over the slight advantage that this time can sometimes give them in the transfer market. However deals will still be found as the underlying ups and downs in demand and supply will still be there to be spotted and taken advantage of by savvy managers. The auto bid would allow them to benefit fully from this and from their onward sales

Last edited by Fluff at 12/6/2011 11:21:31 AM

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198973.149 in reply to 198973.146
Date: 12/6/2011 11:21:48 AM
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I again don't feel it's fair that users would be able to be offline and have a computer bid for him in order to get the best price. Want the best price be online. Want to be offline bet the max you are willing to pay. Human factor is important in the TL, sometimes people forget they should bid on something etc. It's more natural than autobid.

From: CrazyEye

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198973.150 in reply to 198973.148
Date: 12/6/2011 11:29:34 AM
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Humans wont be bidding against machines they'll be bidding against managers who type in what value that player is worth to them. This benefits all sellers equally and we are all sellers at one time or other.


so the auto bid won't raise the bid, just know how much he would pay to write him the next day a message when you bid X you would get the player, or good that you wasn't there the player would have been to expensiv for you.

Or did the manager bid against a maschine, who act on the orders of the paying manager? In this case, it will never forget to bid, or leave a transaction cause you made high raises, or run out of patience etc. This are for me strength on the current system, which makes it funny for me. Against an bot it is frustrating for me to bid, cause you had to type in 20 times maybe a raise without a bit interaction with the opposing manager.

A good system is one where in practice all managers enter the value of the player to them. Otherwise the outcome is not optimal. All this is covered in economic game theory.


this would be ok for me too, this system maybe don't have the fun of a bid war(and may reduce income through less active non supporters) but other strength the current system doesn't have. As you mentioned.

Another advantage is that there may be less ridiculous reserve prices on players. If more players are bought and sold as a result then teams are more able to change efficiently.


don't think that his will impact the need, and therefore the number of tranactions.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 12/6/2011 11:40:41 AM

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198973.151 in reply to 198973.148
Date: 12/6/2011 12:22:13 PM
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Otherwise the outcome is not optimal.

I don't believe the target of the BuzzerBeater transfer system is to optimize the prices from the buyer's point of view, nor that it should be the target.

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198973.152 in reply to 198973.148
Date: 12/6/2011 12:58:45 PM
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Humans wont be bidding against machines they'll be bidding against managers who type in what value that player is worth to them. This benefits all sellers equally and we are all sellers at one time or other.
hey, hey, hey... you forgot those who want to benefit from this unfair system who gives them (those with the more flexible time) a great advantage.

We all "know" that when a manager wants to close a deal with a player he must be awake at 3AM, or during his working hours, and cannot send a representative to take care of his instruction for that deal.
The player must be awake as well.
The agents (from both sides) are overated and just looking at the sky and get money for that...

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