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I only used Italy as an example, as they are the biggest, and we are talking big vs small.

Did you read the portion you quoted? The money goes both ways. Yes he may be able to outbid you on the player you want. He may also be able to outbid me on the player you are selling. Again what does it matter if he is able to aquire a better player, you dont ever play him right?

I never said anything about Andorrans or anyone being noob. My point is that (the very few) Andorrans who can outbid you can also put more money in your coffers. How often is it that you get outbid on a player by some cash rich Andorran (for example)? Are you sure it's just not because you want to say you have the most money or something? Sorry, I just dont see some huge injustice here. Again, unless in some wild circumstance it comes down to you and some Andorran tycoon in the finals of BBB, you arent going to play the guy and the people you do play are under the same set of 'injustices'.

if someone overbid very much(not 100-200k) on a my player,i'll have a TPA
and these money return to the system,the good andorran manager who can uses well the situation of lack of competitivity in his country can make a lot of money and uses it to make a great team,so he'll dominate in his country for a lot of time(and this is not good to induce to play the users of this country and in this way the gap of competitivity betwwen championship will never close and this situation will continue for a lot of time

Of course I am not talking about illegal overbids.

So your concern is for the incoming new Andorran managers then?

Of course I am not talking about illegal overbids.

So your concern is for the incoming new Andorran managers then?

my concern is that only few users will have great adavntages if a similar situation are going to be for many season in these countries,and this could damage the users of other countries on TL and the users of their countiry because for them it will be impossibile to compete with these "superteams"

What I think many people forget is:

Most of the teams in the established countries experienced something which new teams wont:

Faster training during Seasons 3 to 5 (I think it was these seasons).

That alone caused the talent gap between old division 1 teams and new division 1 teams in new countries to be quite big and it won't close down, if ever.

I actually spent the last hour reading this entire post, and therefore by enduring the agony I get to throw in my two cents (tax it at will)

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No tax. Excellent post.

I understand that it will be hard for a new team in a small country to catch up to an established 'superteam'. However I would gladly trade places with them. As a new team in Div IV USA the gap between my team and the top USA teams is groing wider as you read this. Not only do they make more money (and yes I understand they also spend more money just to stay status quo), they also are training faster and therefore improving faster. As time goes by it will become harder and harder to promote, not easier. If I am a new team in (for example) Andorra, sure I have a lot of catching up to do, but I can also earn DI money and have little fear of relegation (relegate where?) so I can build up my program considerably faster as a new Andorran team than I ever will be able to as a new American (or Italian) team. Personally I dont think your worries are completely shared by new smaller based teams. Putting restrictions on the top Andorran superteam will also restrict the new andorran team, yes?

Honestly, and not trying to be rude just trying to see what the real problem is, I think the teams from the bigger countries that are concerned about this are so for self-motivated reasons. You are afraid some guy will outbid you on bargains and cut into your skilltrading revenue.

I have given reasons and examples for how the extra money from these smaller based countries works both ways, can help the economy as much as it hurts. And your response is only that it is unfair. I ask how?

If I am a new team in (for example) Andorra, sure I have a lot of catching up to do, but I can also earn DI money and have little fear of relegation (relegate where?) so I can build up my program considerably faster as a new Andorran team than I ever will be able to as a new American (or Italian) team

that's exactly my point
but i'm not "afraid some guy will outbid me on bargains"
in fact, this is happening since i started playing 16 months ago

I have given reasons and examples for how the extra money from these smaller based countries works both ways, can help the economy as much as it hurts. And your response is only that it is unfair. I ask how?

you say that extra money works both ways, it's not true
they get money faster (you said it) for free, i can only get their money by selling them my players

Yes but again you are comparing based on competitiveness with these teams, which doesnt happen. The only time you see thier money is buy or sell in the TL, never on the court. They spend it, someone gets it. Probably not purchased from another Andorran team. The only time you are competing with them is for transfers, correct?

Last edited by Heathcoat at 1/26/2009 5:06:30 PM

Yes but again you are comparing based on competitiveness with these teams, which doesnt happen. The only time you see thier money is buy or sell in the TL, never on the court. They spend it, someone gets it. Probably not purchased from another Andorran team. The only time you are competing with them is for transfers, correct?

yes, correct, but isn't this thread about "BB Economics"?

i couldn't t care less if their team is better than mine on the court, i never mentioned it

a top division team from italy/spain/etc usually isn't interested in the same players i want to buy because they already have better players
but those dreaded new andorran teams usually compete on the market with the same players i'm looking for so they'll have for sure the money to outbid me


(*) poor andorrans, everybody's blaming them

Lol, poor Andorrans indeed. I am only using them as an example I must reiterate before the Andorran hit squad shows up X(

I have heard this discussion in other games and generally this is what I agree with, my opinion. Yes these Andorran teams have more money to outbid you on the TL. However there are very few of them, they arent able to snatch all of the values on the TL, I will agree they do cause inflation of the market. Unlike in the real world where inflation effects our personal luxuries, in a game it does not. In the real world if a parts maker raises his prices, the manufacturer that buys the inflated parts can raise his prices to compensate, but he must worry about less sales due to the inflated prices. In a game the need is not determined by the cost, the need is persistant. Maybe this isnt coming across as I intend it, but I wont bore you further with a 10 page report. The inflation causes an adjustment, not an imbalance, or certainly not a large one.

The teams you are competing with on the court are subjected to the same imbalance in the TL you are, the guys you compete with must also work harder to find the bargains just like you. There a only a few (maybe 100 active teams in these very small countries combined?) of these players flooding cash into the market compared to the 1000's of top teams in the big countries.

I can see how it can lead to making adjustments, but I see no competitive edge being given to any team you (anyone) actually compete with.