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@Banan-mat66: I understand you made the switch but I cannot really implement a feature that far from ready. Also, is that switch really so bad? I mean, you would eventually have to make it (and you'll be ready if we implement it during the season). Also, what Perpete said.

@brambauti: True, my communication with the community is often lacking, I admit. I'm trying to improve though. In this case, a couple of weeks before I was still convinced it would work. These things are hard to predict.

Sounds good Marin.

If we are going to continue testing in PL this upcoming season, maybe you could post some lineup blueprints you would like some people to sign up to test? This way you could get more than just random data that differs from week to week.

Yes the NT guy finally sold! I may have to go buy that Italian team a supporter subscription!

Even if I think the whole situation could be managed better, even if you must cancel the advantage taken by the empty line up, I must say that you're the only one here trying to make BB a better game and I thank you very much for it.

Where are all the others?

simpler system:
3 or more player - old code
less - wo
new code is unnecessary

Last edited by darkonza at 10/16/2014 3:12:43 AM

@Yuck: OK, no problem, but what exactly do you mean by lineup blueprints? Give me an example, please. It may be a stupid question, but that might be due to exhaustion from the offseason...

@darkonza: even more walkovers? I don't think that's the solution. It's easy, but not a solution.

I apologize if I was vague. In my mind I was picturing something like this...

Test Sample #1

PG - Player A / Player C / Player D
SG - Player B / Player C / Player D
SF - Player E / Player E / Player E
PF - Blank
C - Blank

Then have a list of teams sign up that are willing to set their lineup for the balance of their PL games this way. Some using LCD, some Coach Picks from Depth Chart and some SFDC.

Test Sample #2

Similar layout to above but obviously different enough that you could draw information from the results. Same as above, a set number of teams willing to operate under these guideline within their PL schedule. You could have as many test samples as you would find relevant towards achieving your goal.

Double up the PL games for this season? May not be possible to code but say for instance you and I had a PL match scheduled for tomorrow. Double that on the schedule. You and I would set two lineups for games tomorrow. Testers would be able to use the same lineup and settings but could change the coach's decision. You would have a viable test sample comparing two games with identical game shape (which affects substitutions), same enthusiasm levels and common opponent with those same variables.

No matter how you look at it, I feel your pain. This is a massive undertaking but there are so many variables that I dont know how you can collect accurate data unless you are running the same variables as you tweak the code. If I run a lineup for you tomorrow, I could have completely different results in two weeks running the exact same lineup and settings. My game shapes will have adjusted up or down, enthusiasm has increased,and training for some players make them more valuable to the coach than they were previously. I may have transferred some players between now and then, I am probably not playing the same opponent, but if I was, he will have the same variables hit in a few weeks too. We just can't draw accurate conclusions from running a series of tests week to week using the PL format.

I have looked at it pretty closely for some time. I came to the conclusion a while back that it just wouldn't be possible so I did not participate in the testing. I also, childishly, despise the thought of getting rid of blank and instead of being constructive and helpful, I have been more of a hindrance. For that I apologize.