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212354.147 in reply to 212354.143
Date: 5/28/2012 8:52:33 AM
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I recently learnt that forfeiting will get you the first pick over teams that haven't forfeited throughout the season. They should definitely change that!

Last edited by Shanmag at 5/28/2012 8:53:02 AM

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Date: 5/28/2012 9:05:19 AM
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lol ^^^

Garrie Addison (18085302). The G-Adder striking blows since season 15
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212354.149 in reply to 212354.148
Date: 5/28/2012 10:18:08 AM
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The worst thing is, it's going to happen this season again :(

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212354.150 in reply to 212354.134
Date: 5/28/2012 10:30:59 PM
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This and the random cup draw are the two biggest flaws in BB. Unfortunately they happen to be rather major flaws.


Disagree with you on the random cup draw. I think it is fantastic. FA cup style is way better than the seeded style draw they do in HT in my book. Love checking in to see who i have drawn and then trying to plan tactics accordingly.

Also provides plenty of upsets when a div 3 team CT's an ABBL team and so on.


I'd be very disappointed if they changed the current Cup set-up.

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212354.151 in reply to 212354.150
Date: 5/29/2012 12:55:13 AM
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Disagree with you on the random cup draw. I think it is fantastic. FA cup style is way better than the seeded style draw they do in HT in my book.


Having experienced both styles and heard the arguments for/against, I think the random draw it definitely leads to more disadvantages than a seeded draw.

There's too much of an advantage given to teams that get an easy cup run, compared to those in the same league that have a difficult draw. The biggest disadvantage is the extra games a team can play TIE if they get an easy run, significantly boosting their enthusiasm compared to their league opponents.

Consider two teams in the same II league. One gets drawn an ABBL team in round 1, which they are unable to compete with, while the other teams gets a lucky run of four or five III or IV bots/new players, which they can beat easily while still playing TIE. The team that drew the ABBL team and was eliminated in round 1 is at a clear disadvantage compared to the team that got the easy run and a bunch of extra games in which they could play TIE and boost their enthusiasm. There's nothing the first team can do about this - they are disadvantaged purely due to being unlucky, not because of anything to do with their skill at managing their team. Also, the first team is ~$250k financially worse off than the team with the easier run (or even more, if it turns into a longer cup run).

In close leagues, the ability to play TIE for a few extra teams can definitely be the difference between relegation or survival.


Also provides plenty of upsets when a div 3 team CT's an ABBL team and so on.


The perception of a random draw is that it's more likely that a lower ranked team will go on a dream run and win the cup. The reality is, this is not the case. Only once since season 2 has a II team won the cup and the last time a II team even made the cup final was season 8. The last time a III team made the quarter finals was season 10, which has been the only time since way back in season 4.

There's very few cases where a III upsets a ABBL team (unless the ABBL team throws the game), especially when there's a 50/50 chance the ABBL team also gets home court. I'd say there would be more upsets under a seeded draw where the lower ranked team always plays at home.


Love checking in to see who i have drawn and then trying to plan tactics accordingly.


Agree with this, however a seeded draw doesn't stop this from happening. We would still log in as per usual, find out who we are playing and set tactics accordingly. Realistically, no one is going to work out the entire cup ranking just to see who they might be playing - it will still be a surprise to see who we are playing when we log in after our cup games.

I used to think the same as you, but when I experienced both systems of cup draws, it didn't take long to realise that there's far too much disadvantage under the current random system.

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212354.152 in reply to 212354.151
Date: 5/29/2012 2:13:52 AM
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Well the enthusiasm thing is a joke, really. It's completely unrealistic.

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212354.153 in reply to 212354.152
Date: 5/29/2012 3:02:55 AM
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Unrealistic? Yeah.

It's part of every sports management game I've ever played though.

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212354.154 in reply to 212354.151
Date: 5/29/2012 3:16:43 AM
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I just think that if you want a level playing field for everyone you are playing the wrong game. Randomness is great. Injuries are relevant, Cup Draw, the varying transfer market and so on. Also you could just have massive nuts and play TIE all the time like i have done before. Might cost you a deep cup run but it might not. In HT you basically knew there was a 2 week window in which you would get knocked out of the Cup based on your league.

In BB it's awesome that as a ABBL team i was knocked out 1st rd one year because i risked a TIE on an away court.


Either way there is no right or wrong here as we are discussing opinions. That said the Cup being done randomly was one of the biggest attractions of BB when C-Cat was telling me about it to get me over from HT and it still is one of my favourite parts of the game now 14 seasons later so i'd hate to see it changed.

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212354.155 in reply to 212354.154
Date: 5/29/2012 3:26:31 AM
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The only thing with the cup i dont like is being a reasonable team and getting knocked out in the early rounds when there are still hundreds of bots beating each other.
I would like it if it was somewhat "seeded" until all the bots were out then random it up.
bots can't use the $50k, I can....

/end whiney bleet. :P

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212354.156 in reply to 212354.154
Date: 5/29/2012 3:28:50 AM
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Why wouldn't you want a level playing field for everyone? That way the game is a test of our skill as a manager, not who happened to 'get lucky' with their cup draw.

I'm all for randomness in the game, but it has to be in the right areas i.e. injuries, form, etc.

As a manager, we have absolutely no way of influencing the cup draw or doing anything about it if we get unlucky early in the cup. At least with other 'random' things (injuries, form, etc) we can do something about them, using our skills as a manager. A random cup draw, by it's very nature, will always put other teams at a disadvantage through absolutely no doing of their own.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those whingers in Global on HT that complains about 'too much random'. I have no problem with the random elements that exist in the game, as they are necessary for the game to be enjoyable. However, when the random event (cup draw) arbitrarily disadvantages some teams and provides an advantage to other teams, without giving us any means of influencing it, then I think it begins to have a negative impact on the game.

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212354.157 in reply to 212354.156
Date: 5/29/2012 9:02:34 AM
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It has been fairly frustrating seeing in each of the last two seasons a team make the top four that has basically had a free ride and made it there with at most one competitive game on the way while others (not me by the way) seem to have challenging opponent after challenging opponent costing them multiple league wins.

But I think a seeded tournament has even bigger problems meaning that teams like BLS and WB will get a free run for weeks making the rich richer. Seems like a bad idea.

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