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With a resounding majority in favor.
That is a landslide.

One would hope that all the Managers who have "floundered" out their arguments in this and other threads, have cast their vote.


Changes and the introduction of new taxs are not usually popular in real life, so the current poll results are quite interesting.

For all those doomsdayers who havent voted, go to (253111.1)

I voted that it will improve the game but in honesty I am not 100% sure how it will help. :)

Staff being included in expenses makes sense however I think something needs to be adjusted . Either the tax needs to be based on the staffs purchased salary or the staff market needs correcting. Currently buying quality staff is very difficult and ridiculously expensive. Perhaps a system that allows you to upgrade your staff by paying a flat rate for each level of upgrade. All of the levels would carry a defined per week cost?

Perhaps a system that allows you to upgrade your staff by paying a flat rate for each level of upgrade. All of the levels would carry a defined per week cost?

Staff are quite expensive

Not sure how this can be addressed though

Man I alot of you need read what I said in my post. I addressed all this.

They wont fix staff, alot have been fighting 2seaons ago fighting for that.


This is foolish to be going in circle. I said in my post of before its a false hood for them tax on staff training rather then the personal player contracts or free agent sale for a time period with in salary. Is that understandable?

If some want action of difference( fairness) , but voted yes to tax that's unfair but don't know why you voted yes.? Just to fit in in crowd, think about your long term of your team. how are you to manage with tax on you so deep, you cant have a bad season, the draft will not get teams out of hole in div2 nor will training int he lower league even harder because lack of income., you sell a good player, you lose buying power. Trainer don't get better just more expensive every week. That is the reality of this.


Think about the lop sided of tactics, tell me who has the advantage to sell and profit. Who has the players.? the abusive Farming manage does. I have address that.

Because it already happening. Our vote don't matter. I have address the whole matter quite clear, we are losing hundreds of thousands to million of dollars in back log from training players. If its based on training and these players are/were on our team for atleast 6-10 season need to be accounted for the past markets, not just today's market.

Its very sad and petty they paint someone to be the enemy and problem for speaking up for the good of managers with a differ view, so they can get a agenda across.

This is about money and being out managed period!!. I could less about the next manager bank account, I make 1-2.5million a season with my team at same time, this is not right. Trust me you haven't seen anything yet for your ball club struggles, If you think this is going to stop the tanking/farming or over buying within the salary ,. No it will not. Because this a seller rules and a money rule.

if think having balanced team under your cap is going to save you, no it wont. Sell player and get back at me, Unless he sells for a lot money for your a done duck.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 1/1/2014 10:16:43 PM

Just to fit in in crowd, think about your long term of your team. how are you to manage with tax on you so deep, you cant have a bad season, the draft will not get teams out of hole in div2 nor will training int he lower league even harder because lack of income., you sell a good player, you lose buying power.

Fifty percent of zero is zero. 400% of zero is also zero. Don't spend more than you make, you don't pay a penny of tax. Period, end of story.

regardless, the OET is a strong measure. now, I think you might be asking too much of the situation. The OET is just another reform -a good one, in my view-, but nobody said it was the mother-of-all-reforms. also, let's put it in perspective: a guy in DIV, DV, this guy doesn't need to buy right away a 20k-salary trainer lvl 6 for 3/4 of a million to train good guys to really compete and promote. Anyway, it's true the trainers are crazy on the price, but I think that's on the market model, rather than on BB. BB can't be policing EVERY little thing in the game so everybody can compete and nobody too susceptible gets hurt. And if you hay 3, 4 guys pushing the bid up to the million, what can you do? Farming? That's another issue, and we don't want to get there in this thread. Like a EGM said, with the OET you make life harder on guys sitting in bank accounts, rather than basketball teams.

I dont' care what managerial model you or anybody runs. The thing is training is a big part of this game. And training LOCAL dudes even more. See the player Sid Vicious, he has a 25k+ above his league average [a D.II] in merchandising sales from having all aussie players, and I don't mean scrubs or benchwarmers. That surplus alone could pay my world class [lvl 7] marketing staff with a specialty, without mentionting I almost always fill my 18k+ arena. That's instant reward that you can see in your strategic manouvering right away. We don't have that with trainers. And since OET does make the trainer even more valuable, perhaps some tweak with this could complement the model.

Again, we're thinking here measures, tweaks and reforms that will benefit general strategies in all. It's not like you'll FORCE someone to abandon some way of thinking. We obvioulsy know particular managers that will go with their business regardless. And that's COOL. You want to play the way you want to play, it's cool. But just because we all have the freedom to chose any model, it doesn't mean all models -and their rationality- are created equal and have equal value.

Last edited by petrosian at 1/2/2014 12:39:46 AM

Because it already happening. Our vote don't matter. I have address the whole matter quite clear, we are losing hundreds of thousands to million of dollars in back log from training players. If its based on training and these players are/were on our team for atleast 6-10 season need to be accounted for the past markets, not just today's market.

I don't really understand what it is you are saying here. How does the back log work and if you could fix it, what would you do to fix it?

back log works like this. Say for example you have a Kobe Bryant type of basketball player. You had this for kobe 13-15 season now. kobe is worth 15 million a season in the nba market even at his old age of 34/35..

back log is the leverage with kobe in the selling market of 1-15 million.. which mean 1 million exempt from the nba tax to you team. you can take the cash or you can tax exempt . You keep this no matter what. .So its mean you have capital to make purchases for players to build around him or after him.

You get a certain amount capital for every player that stays on your team for a certian amount of time he stay and make you revenue. That he has built you capital( ticket money , jersey mvp's, etc etc)., it buy into market value of the ball club unless they are over the cap in salary.


But for 3 player if they played 15 years let say 1 mill each retain 20% each, that's 750k you get back to buy new players or exempt your self in the tax. Bb don't give us that, once they gone you lose that Not in the team bank account. You don't have that choice of how to use it.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 1/2/2014 12:32:29 AM

something similar occurs in professional soccer leagues in europe. Let's say you are a small soccer team in Ecuador. You have this juvenile you grew up in your lower rank leagues [baby soccer, U15, U17, and U20] until he's now a full 21-y-o beast [this would be the equivalent to training a good player in BB]. when this Ecuadorian soccer club sells this player to, say, Paris Saint German, or Atlético Madrid, they insert very frequently this clause, this "formation clause", where any future sell of this player will report a small percentage of the transaction to the original ecuadorian team. All based on the formation. So Atlético Madrid actually OWNS the player, but every sell/buy transaction from then on will report a plus for the original team.

but this doesn't happen with EVERY player. only with a selected group. now, there are some logistical huge problems to implement this in BB, or even in other real life pro sport. Markets, including the BB market, many times act on potential, not performance. and if this bulk of players fails that potential -or managers simply quit the game-, you could be in a very tough logistic implementation of fair rules.

so it's not that simple.

Last edited by petrosian at 1/2/2014 12:36:07 AM

The very threads of the economic pattern could unravel if you are correct. Is there still time to fix this with a deteriorating user base?
With all this tax revenue being generated, how should that money be spent?

Last edited by Yuck at 1/2/2014 12:36:20 AM

Fact is level 4 trainers are inexpensive and can train players of any potential
the difference between them and levels 5 and 6 not worth as much as the price you pay for them
of course if you are division 1 than you might be able to afford them