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199844.148 in reply to 199844.145
Date: 11/4/2011 5:47:16 AM
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Damn you

Umm

Wade Harder
Ed Sherpard
Rex Perez
Phillip Ojeda
Dane Valenzula
Michael Lavoie
Marcus Miller

Now let me ask you a question. Do Doctors know the name of every single patient admitted in the hospital without looking at their charts?

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by looking at last years team, i think we have enough talent to win it all. the only problem was the gameplan of the coach. if i'm elected, i will make sure that the gameplan fits the team.

I know that someone else already covered this but this fail needs more than 1 response. How are we gonna elect a U21 coach who doesn't even know we won the championship last season? Epic fail, dude.

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Date: 11/4/2011 6:06:51 AM
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It takes balls to run for an election for a team you know absolutely nothing about.

He's got my vote.

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Date: 11/4/2011 7:23:55 AM
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Question for candidates:

By the end of last season we seemed to get away from using "blank" lineups. What are your feelings on blank lineups and how do you plan on using them if at all?




I personally do not like to use blank lineups. I do not plan to use them very much if I use them at all.

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Question for panic: What makes you think that you can win an election in the US when you can't even win in Puerto Rico? (Someone had to mention it.....)

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He didn't make the top 5 unfortunately....it's sad when 2 managers without much of a presence at all in the debate thread get in the top 5 over a legitimate candidate. Maybe those two managers have a bunch of....siblings?

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Here's my view on blank lineups:

If a player is significantly better than his backup, we're better off starting him. But if we have similar players, it's better to blank the position and try to get a better minutes distribution. After watching last season, I have a few concerns about a full blank lineup.

1. Towards the end of the season, we noticed that if someone shoots FT's in a full blank lineup, for some reason, the GE would automatically put that guy at PG for the next few minutes. This happened to us where he had Hammond and Hobilla playing some PG in game. This also happened to Poland against Italy, where Italy wen't on a 12-0 run in the last 2 minutes of the 3rd to seal the game, because their C couldn't defend PG. If this problem persists, we can't blank the PG spot going forward.

2. In addition, sometimes I'm not real happy with the way minutes are distributed. The GE didn't really like Goddard all that much last season. I'm not sure why, but if we blanked a few positions, he wouldn't get any minutes. Hobilla saw more minutes at PG than Goddard...

With these concerns, it seemed a little risky to blank a lot at last season's World's. But Americas is different. In the first round of America's at least, I plan on using a full blank and a few partial blanks just to see how the GE chooses players. In theory, blank lineups should work best for U21 teams, since all the players are fairly close in skill level to each other. But if blank and get the same results as last season, then I'd probably be a little less risky and set the lineups for the second round and beyond...

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Date: 11/4/2011 9:42:33 AM
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Oh jeeze you got me with that one lol. Im not good with names to be honest. But let me tell you, Ive been looking at those players since last season so Im pretty dang familier with what we have ability wise.

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Rambo has a very nice new thread on the offsite listing season 19 (next worlds) prospects. Without looking at the thread (you're on your honor!) name as many of the players as you can off the top of your head.


uh... I might put some season 18 guys in here too..

Bigs:
Miller
Ebert
Nielson
A. Mattingly
Truong
Perez
Ojeda

SF:
Schultz?
Wade Harder needs a season of OD
F. Mattingly... probably a longshot

Guards:
Walter
Shepherd
Ellington? is he season 18?
Valenzuela
Atli
Flood.. but he needs a lot of OD as well

That's all I got.

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Date: 11/4/2011 10:20:48 AM
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Question for candidates:

By the end of last season we seemed to get away from using "blank" lineups. What are your feelings on blank lineups and how do you plan on using them if at all?



I am not against using blank lineups as it can assure a decent amount of playing time from everyone which means you can take advantage of the bench. However, that does not mean I will be using it all the time. I feel there are situations that you have to set the lineup yourself to make sure a player plays. An example was last year. We did a lot of LI and the GE wouldnt play Goddard in a LI even though he was one of the better option. Thats a good time to set it yourself to make sure someone plays.
I also feel a blank lineup is best when you have a clear advantage. Yes, it can still lead to wins against good opponents but sometimes the GE will play a big at SF even though that may not be best for defense. You have to be aware of all the possible outcomes and be sure the team will be able to win with those outcomes before you choose to blank.

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Date: 11/4/2011 10:55:07 AM
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I've been waiting for this question

I'm a fan of blank lineups in general but not a fan of full blank lineups. I believe you should blank your lineup when you have a plethora of options that you could play in two(or three but your asking for mistakes and miss matches when you blank 3 positions) positions. A blank Lineup would be effective there because the Game Engine will pick the two best out of the bunch they feel is best suited for the offense you run, and they will also distribute the minutes in a very equal manner. It is huge later in the game since those positions aren't as tired since they've been subbed out a lot more.

Magiker pointed out some of the flaws with going full blank lineup. At certain points(Almost always the last 2 minutes of the game) you'll have extremely weird and undesirable lineups in the game. An example he missed that you can add on to his list is that when we blanked 3 positions vs Hong Kong. Hobilla, a true center with ok subs, got a bulk of his minutes at SF. The reason? We ran LI and the game decided that a big at SF would be best suited for this offense. It didn't even care about the defensive math ups. Hong Kong ran motion in that game and as a result their two leading scorers were both SF's. Luckily we won that game but if it did that vs a better opponent we probably would have lost.

My point being that blank lineup is a high risk/high reward tool.

Also If I'm elected I'm never going to blank the SF spot ever. That is the position where too many weird sub packages and head scratching line-up choices occur.

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