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264384.148 in reply to 264384.147
Date: 12/8/2014 4:54:17 PM
Durham Wasps
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Thanks for the congratulations. I actually thought we'd win quite comfortably, mostly because of relative game shapes.

On another subject:
I wouldn't be willing to train a guy like that, for many many seasons in div II, or even div II because that is what you need to do, to train him out off position. Would you be willing to do that? I am certainly not willing to do that.

I wouldn't want to either.

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264384.149 in reply to 264384.148
Date: 12/8/2014 4:58:32 PM
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I guess it takes a particular breed of nutcase

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264384.150 in reply to 264384.146
Date: 12/8/2014 5:01:51 PM
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He also trained Paul Bull alongside Anderson, which is pretty good going.

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264384.151 in reply to 264384.149
Date: 12/8/2014 5:03:11 PM
Durham Wasps
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I guess it takes a particular breed of nutcase

There are people who don't mind spending two seasons without winning a single game. I hated two consecutive losing seasons. Hell, I hate the fact I lost a cup game this year.

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264384.152 in reply to 264384.145
Date: 12/8/2014 5:08:16 PM
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My trainee will have better inside skills than that guy and worse (but still viable) outside skills.

If you start with good stats and a lvl 4 trainer you can create a guy like that by starting 1v1 (guards) for a bit over a season>OD (at this point he will be ok as a backup if you get one or 2 ID pops)>PA+JR>push SB>ID>RB

If he started: 7.5/6.5/6.5 6.5/6.5/6.5 2.0/6.5/6.5/6.5 when he's still 19yo you'll finish OD and he will be:
13.3/6.5/11.3 13/14/6.5 6.5/7.3/6.5/6.5

At the end of 21 he will be:
13.3/6.5/11.3 13/14/6.5 6.5/12/9/16
or:
14/10/11.3 14/14.3/12 6.5/7.5/6.5/7

Depending if you finish PA/JR or you go on SB first. He'll hit that build at 27yo although the last season would only be to take RB from 16 to 17.

So yeah, you're right, you have to do 3 out of position seasons pretty much (or 2 at the beginning and 2 at the end). But he should be an ok backup in D2 after 2-3 seasons.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/8/2014 5:16:13 PM

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264384.153 in reply to 264384.152
Date: 12/8/2014 6:11:09 PM
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good luck finding a 66 skill player at 18 with MVP+ potential for less than 2 million

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Date: 12/9/2014 4:45:01 AM
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good luck finding a 66 skill player at 18 with MVP+ potential for less than 2 million
Good luck arguing that 6x8+7+2=66 instead of 57.

Of course, it's not like 6.5x8+7.5+2.0 adds to 66, or anywhere close to that, either, you know. ;)

At any rate, I can totally see how some savvy italian DIV-DV manager or a few English managers would pay a couple of millions for a 18yo 57 TSP player!

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/9/2014 7:39:30 AM

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264384.156 in reply to 264384.145
Date: 12/9/2014 5:38:03 AM
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Also, how many really active players do we have? And does germany have? How many potentially good players do they draft every season and do we draft?
Well, I did try to get a Superstar potential who can become close to what I posted earlier (10/9/11 14/14/12 6/17/17/17): I lost the bidding to an italian manager who went to around 700k (note that this player was 6'10'' or 6'11'' and had basically 1 starting IS).

Also to answer your question: Germany currently has about 3 times as many users as England, so I would expect everything to be three times larger (number of HoF/MVP etc etc). At the same time I would like you and everyone else that they have this guy playing in their NT: (26270986) and that he actually played when Germany used a zone defence (30613).

Haek is one of Nachmahr's boys and I know exactly what his skills are from my bb-mail exchanges with him. I can tell you that this kid is in many ways more of a monster than the guy I linked earlier, he is certainly even more extreme. You don't need MVP potential to create something like that, but yes the training would take ages and it's evenly split between PG and C which is a pain. However let me tell you this: despite his salary, that guy can probably defend any position in D1.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/9/2014 7:40:26 AM

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264384.157 in reply to 264384.155
Date: 12/9/2014 8:06:45 AM
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Actually in your calculations you changed the IS from 2 to 6.5 without ever training it. So I presumed you had mistakenly put 2 instead of 6.5 which you base the rest of your training program on.

Adding everything as 6.5 rather than 6 and 7.5 rather than 7 is indeed factoring in a 66 tsp. Not as you say 57 which if you are going to base your training predictions on, you are going to have to assume. Things are not as straightforward as you presume.

I have never seen a player you speak of in England. So anyone worth their training salt would be paying extremely big bucks for a potential 9+ player with that many tsp.

Alternatively you may wish to rewrite your training post to correct the IS error you made. In short, you made the mistake not me, a little less arrogance would have helped you see that... But you are not in the EBBL so you cant be that...

Edit: Likewise given that I am probably the only person who bothered to both read your post in full and check the training predictions a little more checking of your work would have helped. You can see me as an adversary if you like but I could be more helpful to you as a friend.

Last edited by LA-Vecx at 12/9/2014 8:22:08 AM

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Date: 12/9/2014 10:00:07 AM
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Gully and Zeus, anything practical we can be focusing on to help with NT and U21's over the remaining weeks of the season to prep for next season?

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