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I've already said what ELSE I was going to do. I'll remember you of Training game, Mentor System and Betting game. Do you remember it now?



Other thing. Astragoth was saying that he would put new players in front of the results. In that case, there's no need of experienced managers to run this NT since the only thing that mathers is creating new players

that's probably my fault.

I used to joke about HCA and then lo and behold Phil won the consolation tournament and for while we did actually have HCA. But Waggy went 4-2 with it and missed out from going through on points difference a shade unluckily.

BTW, I was a buzzerbeater away from beating Sweden, so if we've got no chance against them now, things have definitely gone downhill since then.

I've already said what ELSE I was going to do. I'll remember you of Training game, Mentor System and Betting game. Do you remember it now?

Other than possibly the training game, what of this will encourage a manager to train their player in the manner you feel they should be trained? The Mentor system.. well.. that may be fine for a few new managers, but what about the rest of the community who has had their team more than a couple weeks? Getting a player into 1 NT scrimmage or setting a lineup for one scrimmage game just doesn't seem an enticement to me at all, I'm sorry. I'm glad you feel you've had success with it in portugal, and if you do get elected I hope you have success with it here. I don't feel that any of that will do much good, but we can hope!

Other thing. Astragoth was saying that he would put new players in front of the results. In that case, there's no need of experienced managers to run this NT since the only thing that mathers is creating new players

That was astragoth's plan. Which you criticized. Why do you use it trying to defend a position you hold if you feel he's wrong about it?

I don't think anybody said it hadn't worked. That's your interpretation of the situation, I'd guess because you see little posting on the NT forum.

A lot of the 18yr old prospects past managers have identified made the NT21 team, or at very least went on to play for a club team at a decent level. I have devised entire three-season training programmes for coaches that wanted them, given partial advice to others, been told to 'feck off', and merely hinted to coaches that their prospect might be more useful to the NT if he wanted to train skill a next rather than skill b.

It requires tact, diplomacy and excellent communication skills to talk to the English community about how best to train their prospects.

The idea that you can rock up and tell newbies 'always go for one position training' all the time is naive, to say the least. You will need to spend a lot more time than you think on BBmail explaining exactly why what you are proposing is the best strategy (and it isn't, in my opinion, a mix of 1 and 2 position is best for a new club) and I don't think you will be able to handle the challenges to your 'knowledge' from how you've handled the EBBL coaches in this debate.

As for the team thing. Astrogoth will get support from the community when we asks for it, that's how we work. We appoint a coach and let him get on with it, helping when requested to do so.

EDIT: I see Bomby said it hadn't worked, Well, that's his opinion. We might want to be higher rated than we are but we've still created some good players over the past four seasons.




Last edited by Elmacca at 9/10/2009 1:17:49 PM

1st: Mentor system is not only to players that started the game. There's a lot of managers that play for a lot o f time, but still haven't understand the basics of the game.

Getting a player into 1 NT scrimmage or setting a lineup for one scrimmage game just doesn't seem an enticement to me at all, I'm sorry

It may not be an excitement for you because, as you said, you are accostumed to deal with high level players. But there's a lot of players that would like to have that opportunity



2nd: What I'm saying is that if Astrogoth is giving up from the results, our job can't be worse than his in that aspect, so our experience ( or lack of it as you say) wouldn't count for anything

I dont think the idea with the competition in which a team can win a 1 time spot in the U21 NT is a good idea, I do think for a few players it could persuade them to get more involved. However, after that 1 time than what? He won and the excitement is over, I think you will struggle to keep such a coach interested.

Looking at the current group we got, in the short term there isnt much we can gain, we wont promote and I doubt we have improved over the last few seasons. Not because a lack from the U21 team coach, but due to many different small issues, off which I am sure the active members know exactly what I am talking about, mounted to a decline in player quality for the U21 instead off better players.

Yes you might find my idea stupid, to forfeit a conselation tournament to the benefit off future U21 players, but what is there to loose in doing so? You can that way play more players, get more coaches involved cause their players will play more than only once and you can build experience from some players and even if they would only gain 1 level extra, that is a huge bonuses when a 20 year old gets that level than a 22 year old that just aged and no longer can play for the U21. At our level every small bit matters to qualify into the next round and although I am still learning from every game I play and still have no clue or something along those lines how the GE fully works, I am sure with the cooperation and healthy debates we will have in the community we can make huge steps forward. Whether this will improve the team enough to pass the first group stage, only time can tell. But it is worth a try in my opinion, since almost anything (due to so many smaller things, some that you cant even control) else thus far hasnt worked...

I never said that the idea was stupid. I just said that since the results aren't an issue, lack of experience isn't one too. I just want to ask you a question. You worse results, worse rankings. It will lead to hard groups in the future. DO you think that you will be able to overcome it and qualify in a tougher group?

do you think, looking at the kind off group we got in now, it can get any worse?

Yes. If we go lower in the rankings, it will get worse

sorry, let me rephrase my question, i ment something differently and it is my fault for not making this clear. We are currently 49 in the world ranking, you think we can do a lot more worse? I dont think so, secondly yes you are right, we might end up in a more difficult group, but if my idea works, which we dont know off course, our team will be better too, and I think good enough to make the difference with teams that we now cant beat... Than we can climb the world rankings and with the better players we have than we will stand a better chance.

Ps having the nr 7 and 9 from the world rankings in the same group wont happen quickly again. I also believe that Finland is alot better than their current position suggests...

It's a risk to take. But there are a lot of managers who have 18 year old players. What will be the criteria to choose 10 18-year old players. And what about the managers that trained their players since their 18 and now that their are 21, they will not be selected because of the 18 year old?
Don't think that I'm criticizing your idea. I'm just trying tom know if you have everything thought.