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I again don't feel it's fair that users would be able to be offline and have a computer bid for him in order to get the best price. Want the best price be online. Want to be offline bet the max you are willing to pay. Human factor is important in the TL, sometimes people forget they should bid on something etc. It's more natural than autobid.

Humans wont be bidding against machines they'll be bidding against managers who type in what value that player is worth to them. This benefits all sellers equally and we are all sellers at one time or other.

so the auto bid won't raise the bid, just know how much he would pay to write him the next day a message when you bid X you would get the player, or good that you wasn't there the player would have been to expensiv for you.

Or did the manager bid against a maschine, who act on the orders of the paying manager? In this case, it will never forget to bid, or leave a transaction cause you made high raises, or run out of patience etc. This are for me strength on the current system, which makes it funny for me. Against an bot it is frustrating for me to bid, cause you had to type in 20 times maybe a raise without a bit interaction with the opposing manager.

A good system is one where in practice all managers enter the value of the player to them. Otherwise the outcome is not optimal. All this is covered in economic game theory.

this would be ok for me too, this system maybe don't have the fun of a bid war(and may reduce income through less active non supporters) but other strength the current system doesn't have. As you mentioned.

Another advantage is that there may be less ridiculous reserve prices on players. If more players are bought and sold as a result then teams are more able to change efficiently.

don't think that his will impact the need, and therefore the number of tranactions.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 12/6/2011 11:40:41 AM

Otherwise the outcome is not optimal.

I don't believe the target of the BuzzerBeater transfer system is to optimize the prices from the buyer's point of view, nor that it should be the target.

Humans wont be bidding against machines they'll be bidding against managers who type in what value that player is worth to them. This benefits all sellers equally and we are all sellers at one time or other.

hey, hey, hey... you forgot those who want to benefit from this unfair system who gives them (those with the more flexible time) a great advantage.

We all "know" that when a manager wants to close a deal with a player he must be awake at 3AM, or during his working hours, and cannot send a representative to take care of his instruction for that deal.
The player must be awake as well.
The agents (from both sides) are overated and just looking at the sky and get money for that...

sorry i was on my phone earlier so its hard to type messages fully

by optimal i mean the outcome (who ends up with player and price) is optimal and everyone as a result is as well off as they could be (seller gets best price and player goes to the manager who values him most and at the going rate).

It is not optimal to have managers sitting there waiting and bidding every 3 minutes against another manager(s) every three minutes. If all the managers do this then the outcome will be the same as if the autobid existed and they just put their final price in to start with. if the outcome is such that a manager who should have won "trips" up and the player goes to another manager then this is not an optimal outcome (although i understand the winning manager will always feel they have a great deal when this happens)
also if a bid war ensues and two managers get overly emotional and outbid more than they wanted to pay then this is not optimal either.
these things can happen under either system because we are not all "rational" in how we behave, but the autobid system i believe would result in more "rational" behaviour and a more optimal and therefore fairer outcome.

also all that time spent sat there bidding and counter bidding could be better spent on other bb or non bb pursuits. and these pursuits could be made possible with an autobid system that helps to fund these new things in BB.

i understand your argument that you get more fun knowing you are competing with a manager for a player at that moment in time (rather than via an autobid) , you might get a "bargain" , or many other emotional reasons , but these things can still happen in an autobid system.

and for every reason you have to the positive, it is more than matched by a negative for someone else in a different position to you, someone who is more time constrained.

Obviously any change has winners and losers, and the vocal people here on the forum are weighted on the losers side - it is only natural. But i would argue there would be many more winners who are not voicing their opinions here.

I am a strong believer in fairness and promoting competition between managers across the globe, all time zones, languages - everything and the autobid system would help this to happen.

there are other games that have an autobid system who share the ethos of not giving advantages to supporters vs non-supporters. obviously the arguments are finely balanced but i think an autobid system is consistent with this ethos

i think it is qute a bad argumentation just to say, you profit from it so you are against it.

I made and supported several suggestions who wouldn't be to my advantage.

Most people writing here against it also helped lot of other user to udnerstand this game better, also punished themself in giving knowledge to newer user which they could use against themself.

by optimal i mean the outcome (who ends up with player and price) is optimal and everyone as a result is as well off as they could be (seller gets best price and player goes to the manager who values him most and at the going rate).

And I don't think this is really the target of the transfer system in this game. If it were, an auto-bid system would probably have been in place from day one. Or taking it a step further, the prices of the players might even be predetermined to a degree based on various statistics that the BB's are able to gather from the game. The target is rather to provide an additional means to improve your team and outperform your rivals. It seems clear you are allowed and even expected to make mistakes (as long as that does not significantly affect the fairness and the balance of the game) in this part of the game while learning the ropes.

also if a bid war ensues and two managers get overly emotional and outbid more than they wanted to pay then this is not optimal either.

Except for the seller who now gets the truly best price, anomaly or not.

Obviously any change has winners and losers, and the vocal people here on the forum are weighted on the losers side - it is only natural. But i would argue there would be many more winners who are not voicing their opinions here.

It is usually a good idea to assume positive intent, and from what I have seen over the years here the great majority of those taking part in the Suggestion forum discussions do so to benefit the game or otherwise out of their interest in the game, not to protect any perceived advantages. When a suggestion is not an obvious improvement from all points of view, those who oppose it may naturally be more vocal. That is however a different issue.

It is not optimal to have managers sitting there waiting and bidding every 3 minutes against another manager(s) every three minutes.

Why not? It's part of the game, and of the fun.

if the outcome is such that a manager who should have won "trips" up and the player goes to another manager then this is not an optimal outcome (although i understand the winning manager will always feel they have a great deal when this happens)

There is no "manager who should have won", sorry.
If he had a max price he can offer it before leaving his computer. And if that price isn't enough to get him the player, then he shouldn't win (and he wouldn't have won even with an auto-bid).

also if a bid war ensues and two managers get overly emotional and outbid more than they wanted to pay then this is not optimal either.
these things can happen under either system because we are not all "rational" in how we behave, but the autobid system i believe would result in more "rational" behaviour and a more optimal and therefore fairer outcome.

It may be not optimal, but it's human. Overpaying happens. Rashard Lewis, ring a bell?
We're humans playing against each other, no? Who plays better, wins.

also all that time spent sat there bidding and counter bidding could be better spent on other bb or non bb pursuits. and these pursuits could be made possible with an autobid system that helps to fund these new things in BB.

And you can also not play BB at all, and use all the time you spend with BB, for better pursuits.

i understand your argument that you get more fun knowing you are competing with a manager for a player at that moment in time (rather than via an autobid) , you might get a "bargain" , or many other emotional reasons , but these things can still happen in an autobid system.

Autobid "replies" at always the same time during the time between your bid and the deadline. There is no suspence in that.

and for every reason you have to the positive, it is more than matched by a negative for someone else in a different position to you, someone who is more time constrained.

The time it takes to set an autobid at a certain price X, is exactly the same it takes to actually make a bid at that same price. Time costraints have no role in this discussion.

Obviously any change has winners and losers, and the vocal people here on the forum are weighted on the losers side - it is only natural. But i would argue there would be many more winners who are not voicing their opinions here.

We will never know. And after all it doesn't matter, BBs decide and the "voices" here might help them getting a better understanding of the arguments, but I don't think they count the votes and then decide.

I am a strong believer in fairness and promoting competition between managers across the globe, all time zones, languages - everything and the autobid system would help this to happen.

No it wouldn't. If I set my autobid at 100, then I can also offer 100 straight away and go.