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I understand that it will be hard for a new team in a small country to catch up to an established 'superteam'. However I would gladly trade places with them. As a new team in Div IV USA the gap between my team and the top USA teams is groing wider as you read this. Not only do they make more money (and yes I understand they also spend more money just to stay status quo), they also are training faster and therefore improving faster. As time goes by it will become harder and harder to promote, not easier. If I am a new team in (for example) Andorra, sure I have a lot of catching up to do, but I can also earn DI money and have little fear of relegation (relegate where?) so I can build up my program considerably faster as a new Andorran team than I ever will be able to as a new American (or Italian) team. Personally I dont think your worries are completely shared by new smaller based teams. Putting restrictions on the top Andorran superteam will also restrict the new andorran team, yes?

Honestly, and not trying to be rude just trying to see what the real problem is, I think the teams from the bigger countries that are concerned about this are so for self-motivated reasons. You are afraid some guy will outbid you on bargains and cut into your skilltrading revenue.

I have given reasons and examples for how the extra money from these smaller based countries works both ways, can help the economy as much as it hurts. And your response is only that it is unfair. I ask how?

If I am a new team in (for example) Andorra, sure I have a lot of catching up to do, but I can also earn DI money and have little fear of relegation (relegate where?) so I can build up my program considerably faster as a new Andorran team than I ever will be able to as a new American (or Italian) team

that's exactly my point
but i'm not "afraid some guy will outbid me on bargains"
in fact, this is happening since i started playing 16 months ago

I have given reasons and examples for how the extra money from these smaller based countries works both ways, can help the economy as much as it hurts. And your response is only that it is unfair. I ask how?

you say that extra money works both ways, it's not true
they get money faster (you said it) for free, i can only get their money by selling them my players

Yes but again you are comparing based on competitiveness with these teams, which doesnt happen. The only time you see thier money is buy or sell in the TL, never on the court. They spend it, someone gets it. Probably not purchased from another Andorran team. The only time you are competing with them is for transfers, correct?

Last edited by Heathcoat at 1/26/2009 5:06:30 PM

Yes but again you are comparing based on competitiveness with these teams, which doesnt happen. The only time you see thier money is buy or sell in the TL, never on the court. They spend it, someone gets it. Probably not purchased from another Andorran team. The only time you are competing with them is for transfers, correct?

yes, correct, but isn't this thread about "BB Economics"?

i couldn't t care less if their team is better than mine on the court, i never mentioned it

a top division team from italy/spain/etc usually isn't interested in the same players i want to buy because they already have better players
but those dreaded new andorran teams usually compete on the market with the same players i'm looking for so they'll have for sure the money to outbid me


(*) poor andorrans, everybody's blaming them

Lol, poor Andorrans indeed. I am only using them as an example I must reiterate before the Andorran hit squad shows up X(

I have heard this discussion in other games and generally this is what I agree with, my opinion. Yes these Andorran teams have more money to outbid you on the TL. However there are very few of them, they arent able to snatch all of the values on the TL, I will agree they do cause inflation of the market. Unlike in the real world where inflation effects our personal luxuries, in a game it does not. In the real world if a parts maker raises his prices, the manufacturer that buys the inflated parts can raise his prices to compensate, but he must worry about less sales due to the inflated prices. In a game the need is not determined by the cost, the need is persistant. Maybe this isnt coming across as I intend it, but I wont bore you further with a 10 page report. The inflation causes an adjustment, not an imbalance, or certainly not a large one.

The teams you are competing with on the court are subjected to the same imbalance in the TL you are, the guys you compete with must also work harder to find the bargains just like you. There a only a few (maybe 100 active teams in these very small countries combined?) of these players flooding cash into the market compared to the 1000's of top teams in the big countries.

I can see how it can lead to making adjustments, but I see no competitive edge being given to any team you (anyone) actually compete with.

The teams you are competing with on the court are subjected to the same imbalance in the TL you are, the guys you compete with must also work harder to find the bargains just like you. There a only a few (maybe 100 active teams in these very small countries combined?) of these players flooding cash into the market compared to the 1000's of top teams in the big countries.

I can see how it can lead to making adjustments, but I see no competitive edge being given to any team you (anyone) actually compete with.

yes, yes, but it's not like i'm complaining for the sake of it
in a discussion about the economy of BB i believe that's a weak point
IMO the economic internal balance of a single well developed country works GREAT, the economic interaction among different countries on the TL should be looked at. that's all

of course i see it from my point of view, which is different than that of another team in a different situation
that's why i like to discuss it (it's much better than read replies such as "you're selfish!!! you italianz want to dominate the BBworld!!!")

Ok, I get that, good point.

One problem I am sure the BB's want to avoid is incorperating something into the game that has to be looked at and evaluated every season. Imagine if every season they must look at the number of teams in each country and create some sort of scale for that country each and every season. Not to mention that still some people wont be happy no matter what changes are made, and now we have to endure this discussion each and every season. Seems like too much good time spent on rehashing the same thing season after season.

I found in HT and other sports management games that the teams that dont adapt to the flow and ripples that happen over the seasons and stick with thier original plan that worked, tend to slowly drop back. It isnt just good economic skills that prevail, but a combo of econ and adaptation. This isnt directed at you, nor a statement about your style, as I dont know it. Just an observation.

hey guys,

reading this thread made my head spin because of a lot of things being talked about that made me feel that deviates from what is really what to be raised here.

aside from the trading list or a team owned or managed by a manager in country where there is only few players managing and all

what is really the issue?

The real issue is that Andorrans cheat.

ROFL!!!

I think the thread started on the subject of free agents and if they are needed.

Free Agents are a necessary component of the overall economy. They serve a valuable role in taking money out of the economy. Plus, they set the market price for a given skill set.

We can argue the proper threshold for player salary / skills / potential for listing as FAs, but they are a useful economy management tool and should remain.