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126157.15 in reply to 126157.14
Date: 1/3/2010 5:01:18 PM
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Not once did I say that the games are not important, infact the games are all that matters. But that said in order to win games you need good players, in order to get good players you need to train them or buy them. In order to make cash you need to sell quaility players, typically that you have trained.

Results are huge in merchandise and attendence income, but without good players you cannot win games.

Lets face it there are many different approaches to this sim, which makes it awesome! It is my opinion that a good trainer(level 4+) is well worth the money especially for teams just starting out. The transfer market is insane and usually is, so you are best to train from within.

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126157.16 in reply to 126157.15
Date: 1/3/2010 5:10:52 PM
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i agree whit you but
i cant get a good trainer i get out bid everytime
so what do i need todo buy players

im talking my level not higher levels

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Date: 1/3/2010 5:25:33 PM
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taken to PM!!

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126157.18 in reply to 126157.16
Date: 1/3/2010 5:28:26 PM
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The best approach I find for your case is to go with a lvl 4 trainer. The difference in salary between 4 and 5 is huge as you're looking at 30k+ salary per week so unless you have that kind of luxury, a lvl 4 is the best value for money

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126157.19 in reply to 126157.12
Date: 1/3/2010 7:59:42 PM
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and the trainer salary goes up much faster than player


More often, but in sum probably not.

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126157.20 in reply to 126157.13
Date: 1/3/2010 8:19:44 PM
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Teams that have success in BB, typically train there own star players.


I have to disagree.

The quickest way to succeed is to pay as little as possible for someone else to do as much training for you as possible. You should be trying to add sufficient enough value to your trainees as possible in order to re-sell and accumalate money and when you spend you ideally want to use your money on a 75-85% completed player (someone you plan to keep) to polish and customise according to your tactics.

Spending mega millions on trainees or lvl 6-7 coaches in my opinion is a waste and a sure fire way to fall behind your rivals - let them do the hard work whilst you continue to pick up players like mentioned above that can help you compete faster and smarter.

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126157.21 in reply to 126157.20
Date: 1/3/2010 9:18:01 PM
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I do agree with what you are saying but with some of the recent changes and the transfer market the way it is this is impossible. The changes to merchandise are favoring having native born players on your roster, I realize that merchandise is a small revenue maker but none the less.

With the market what it is, it is a challenge to find players that are 50% complete let alone 75-85%. The price tags of any player that is worth continuing to train are usually insane. Are there exceptions? Yes of course, but as a new player there is no way to make the amount of money needed to compete with the crazy bids that happen.

That is why to start out I think training and selling from within is prefered and more cost effective. Once you establish a winning team and some solid talent you suggestion is brilliant. Hence you being one of the best in the BB world.

BTW thanks for chiming in, it is always good to see another way to approach from such a skilled manager.

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126157.22 in reply to 126157.11
Date: 1/4/2010 11:53:28 AM
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Yes, but finding that deal is rare, it takes a lot of time, patience, and luck!

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126157.23 in reply to 126157.21
Date: 1/4/2010 11:58:58 AM
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I do agree with what you are saying but with some of the recent changes and the transfer market the way it is this is impossible. The changes to merchandise are favoring having native born players on your roster, I realize that merchandise is a small revenue maker but none the less.


but if you train ineffective, you loose money to and starting with better trainees could give you a huge benefit and if you are back several 100k through training it take a very long time you catch that up with merchandise, and i am not really sure about the difference but i think home grown players in comparision to nationals aren't the big difference.

And with a bit luck, you could buy back your trainees when they are finished - i got all my ex players in the favorites and failed epic in training one for myself because his training doesn't fit to the rest of my team anbd he was way to weak ;)

Edit2: You could go a little lower for owns guys, but training foreign players still seems to be good and often the better choiche.

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126157.24 in reply to 126157.20
Date: 1/5/2010 6:46:50 PM
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Teams that have success in BB, typically train there own star players.


I have to disagree.

The quickest way to succeed is to pay as little as possible for someone else to do as much training for you as possible. You should be trying to add sufficient enough value to your trainees as possible in order to re-sell and accumalate money and when you spend you ideally want to use your money on a 75-85% completed player (someone you plan to keep) to polish and customise according to your tactics.

Spending mega millions on trainees or lvl 6-7 coaches in my opinion is a waste and a sure fire way to fall behind your rivals - let them do the hard work whilst you continue to pick up players like mentioned above that can help you compete faster and smarter.


I completely agree especially to the last part. About the first one, i am not a good trader, (day trading) and its not my style. What i can say is my teams example. I've bought 1 C Allstar potential just for 100k, using 4 level trainer 2 positions. Now that player is 21 and only 3 pop ups away from his soft cap. I am using level 4 trainer. Ive bought him for just 224k, having 11k salary. If i had spend double that money for level 5 trainer with way higher salary, the result would be 2-3 weeks faster training. Are those weeks so important to spend 1M more for his development? In my opinion no. Now i can (and i will) sell him for around 3-3.5M. Actually i will wait the time before the play offs to sell him when the prices are going sky high.

Maybe when u have 2 great potential trainees, especially if they are big men to spend much money for 5+ trainer. If not value for money its not something that i like. Saying that i want to point also that being 1st division team with 283k salaries my income is around 400k per week. Imagine how low is 3-4 divisions.

Training is a big part of this game, but at the end of the game our main goal is to win. Training its just 1 part of it not everything.

So every time that someone is asking me for advice about the staff i am always saying about the golden mediocrity. Level 4, max level 5

Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/6/2010 5:22:08 AM

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126157.25 in reply to 126157.24
Date: 1/5/2010 10:26:27 PM
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I've bought 1 C Allstar potential just for 100k, using 4 level trainer 2 positions. Now that player is 21 and only 3 pop ups away from his soft cap.


What is a soft cap? I also read about a hard cap, but what does it mean and how do I know what it is for my players?

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