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156862.15 in reply to 156862.13
Date: 9/16/2010 6:36:28 PM
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Since I am mentioned here in this thread and I am one of the two team who didnt set a lineup in this game I will add my 2 cents. I opened a very similar thread about this problem a few weeks ago. If you are interested... have a look at it ((154889.1)).

The conclusion I found the best, is to cut the salarys during the off-season. As long as you have a competetive games during a week you have to pay full salarys. If you dont have any competetive games you pay half the salarys to your players. At least in my case this would change my priority list from 1->2->6->7->3->4->5->8 to 1->2->3->4->5->6->7->8. I dont know if this is the case for other players but for me this seems to be a reasonable solution to this problem.

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156862.16 in reply to 156862.15
Date: 9/17/2010 2:27:59 AM
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you should all read this.

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Date: 9/17/2010 10:40:46 AM
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you should all read this.

Basically Charles didn't say that 5th place is better than 6th,also him said that if you are sure to be stronger than your adevrsary and to win in game 3 the playout series is economically better to arrive in 5th position

Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

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Date: 9/17/2010 11:45:01 AM
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Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

I think he was saying you need to be more than 92-95% sure. I have seen so many people whine about much more even games where they perhaps had a 55-75% chance of winning that I tend to agree with Charles here. There are probably many more people who think they are that much better than their opponent than who really are. Of course, that doesn't make people perceive things any different. I'm not sure if a real problem is any worse in this case than a perceived but perhaps non-existent problem.

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Date: 9/17/2010 11:58:39 AM
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Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

I think he was saying you need to be more than 92-95% sure. I have seen so many people whine about much more even games where they perhaps had a 55-75% chance of winning that I tend to agree with Charles here. There are probably many more people who think they are that much better than their opponent than who really are. Of course, that doesn't make people perceive things any different. I'm not sure if a real problem is any worse in this case than a perceived but perhaps non-existent problem.

The team that arrive in 6th poistion is not forcedly the 6th team in the league,but that position should be the result of short-time strategies that push a team below his real level.A team that have few chances to be promoted can sacrficie legaue games to make a longer run in the cup,or can lose game training very young players that he will not put on the field in the playouts game;A user that can't connect for a pair of weeks can have a strong drop in shape or can forget to make the line-ups and so losing the games to arrive in a higher position.At that point,is better to play 3 playout games than arrive in 5th place,and this is a pretty ridicoulos thing

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Date: 9/17/2010 12:04:00 PM
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Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

I think he was saying you need to be more than 92-95% sure. I have seen so many people whine about much more even games where they perhaps had a 55-75% chance of winning that I tend to agree with Charles here. There are probably many more people who think they are that much better than their opponent than who really are. Of course, that doesn't make people perceive things any different. I'm not sure if a real problem is any worse in this case than a perceived but perhaps non-existent problem.


but even in this case, you had to see that most leagues in buzzerbeater have no relegated teams because they are bottom divisions - and in this case you have 100%

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Date: 9/17/2010 1:04:03 PM
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Sure, these mostly non-competitive leagues are different in this respect. In some small countries even some competitive teams may find themselves in such a situation. Without looking into it to back up my claim, I think Japan may fall into this category.

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Date: 9/18/2010 10:56:14 AM
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Sure, these mostly non-competitive leagues are different in this respect. In some small countries even some competitive teams may find themselves in such a situation. Without looking into it to back up my claim, I think Japan may fall into this category.


Japans JBBL has for the first time started to look really lopsided. The Big 8 is a shadow of the Great 8 so finishing 6th or 7th in the great 8 has to be more attractive than 5th or 4th (2nd v 3rd will be a good battle).

Bottom line is you if you can tank to finish 6th and can win your p/o thats better than picking up 1/3 of 1 game road defeat. Maybe the long-term calculation gives the edge to the 4th place team but honestly who thinks like this and this is also assuming you have your ticket prices nailed on price wise.

Take the cash and enjoy. Finish 6th and if you relegate well you weren't as good as you thought you were. Even if you are unlucky you should cruise through over a 3 game series.

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156862.24 in reply to 156862.22
Date: 9/18/2010 11:25:00 AM
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Bottom line is you if you can tank to finish 6th and can win your p/o thats better than picking up 1/3 of 1 game road defeat. Maybe the long-term calculation gives the edge to the 4th place team but honestly who thinks like this and this is also assuming you have your ticket prices nailed on price wise.


but you do realize, that you took money and lost more in the end? now 4th and 3rd team did not. and if you do this every season eventually you should find yourself in the position that you even can't reach 6th. maybe it will be very long for this to happen, but it should.

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Date: 9/18/2010 11:30:51 AM
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the question about the "last season" point in the survey for me, is it how it recognized the past. Imho your fans lower your expectations depending on your team succes in the past, so getting 6th could also raise your survey point in two seasons and make the loss through this smaller(only my theory)

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