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You run the risk of a lot of those 5-ball talents from the group demonstration are 1 or 2 ball potential, which may be the reason your scouts had them rated low with their "first impressions". This year I have a large number of 19 y/o in the draft, I wasn't planning on using the group demonstration but when I saw how the ages and heights worked out I decided I needed to use the group demonstration since the top of my initial rankings was not what I was looking for.

Last edited by GWgw at 11/29/2010 11:44:54 AM

If you have 10+ 18yo's among the 1,2 ballers, use demonstration. If not, scout all the 18yo's separately.

That was my thought initially, but even though most of those 5 ball rated guys from the bottom of the prospect list were 3 for potential (the other was a 4), that's still better than the guys who were the 5ball prospects - not a single one of them was above 3 for potential and one was a 2 and another a 1. So even on potential, the 18s with high star ratings from the bottom of my prospect rankings were all at least as good, if not better, than any of the 18 year-olds who were at the top of my prospect list.

Based on salaries after the draft, the best 18 year old was actually #16 in my initial prospect ranking (I didn't scout him, so no real chance for me to draft him) and then most of the good 18s were in the mid-20s or among my group demo guys. The best 18 from my 5 ball prospects was 22nd overall and had lousy potential to boot. My #1 ranked prospected turnout out to be an 18yr old with 4/1 B- and the 30th ranked salary - not a top prospect by any measure.

Obviously with only one season of the new system, no one really has much information to go on, but I really don't think the initial prospect rating is of much value at all. It appears as if it might just be a random assortment of the players. Especially since each team gets a different initial prospect ranking. I believe someone even asked if "potential" was part of how the initial prospect ranking was determined and one of the BBs said that it wasn't.

Personally, I rank the group demonstration right behind the combine in terms of useful spending of points, but I can see other strategies based on how much funds you have.

It depends on what you are looking for. As LA-Kucok said, if you are only interested in 18s, then if there are less than 10 18s among the group, it's cheaper to scout them individually. If there are more than 10, you benefit by doing group demonstration. If you don't mind finding a great 19 year-old, that changes the equation a little bit.

That of course assumes a person has enough to spend 10 points on the combine to get ages and heights. If I were choosing between the two, I'd go with the combine, as I like knowing age & height. And then just hope I get lucky with the ones I choose to actually scout.

In general though, I don't know that you are any more likely to find the great draft pick at the top of an initial prospect list than you are going to find him among the bottom. Certainly didn't seem like it after one season.

Last edited by Alec Burke at 11/29/2010 12:41:50 PM

I'll be using this draft as a cash lottery since I have a full set of ideal 18yo trainees. In that case I'm only looking for high potential 18yo's.

There's only 6 low potential 18yo's available so I'll go with scouting them individually.

I used up 27 scouting points today (10 on the combine and then scouting and interview a handful of players). Unfortunately, of all those points spent the best I've turned up is three 5 star-3 potential 18yo's and one 4 star-3 potential 18yo.

Here's what i have left:

-12 unscouted 18yo's with 4 or less "rough-estimate" ratings
-2 scouting 18yo's with a star rating of 2

I haven't planned to interview the 2-star or lower players to ensure I get as much information on the remaining mystery 18yo's.

Anyone disagree with ignoring a player after the initial scout if they have low star rating?

Yes,

You're not going to get much for a MVP 18 y/o with a salary of $2500 in my opinion. I am guessing you are looking for the home-run, million $ prospect which would be 5/5/18 or 5/4/18, or maybe even 4/5/B+/18

I say keep looking and ignore the 2-ballers

Yeah, looking for a home run as I don't have any training spaces left. That is unless the home run is so perfect it forces me to sell off another. The latter would be a win-win

+1 to all of you that responded, thanks for the advice!

Keep in mind this, look for a specific position (for example i'm planning to get guards this season) and u will find things much easier for you, sort the 18s first then sort all the draftees below 196cm (for Gaurds ) gradually and then see if you need the group demo or not, but generally scout combine is the better to choose first, cheers.




Last edited by weeso at 11/29/2010 1:39:21 PM

I didnt expect a great pick this year given im the most dominate team in my league so i have been scouting players from the beginning of the season. I have scouted 13 players so far and of those 4 of them are 18 years old with 5 star rating. 2 with 4 star potential and 1 with 3 star and the other 2 star. I have also 2 4 star 18 year olds with 4 star potential. I consider that a win considering i have been scouting randomly lol. Hopefully i can land 1 of them to get money out of them or train and sell another trainee. The two 18 year olds with 5 star rating and 4 star potential look like great ones though. one is a 6'6" SF and the other is a 6"8 PF. I also have a 5 star SG with only 2 star potential but he has an A+ rating and he is 6'2" and has a pretty good box score.....if only box scores really meant something because he had 29 points 6 rebounds and 6 assists lol.

well lucky you, my draft class this year looks untalented compared to last season(i had a 5 balls 8th pick HOF and a 5 balls SF with star potential) but this season all the 18 yo gaurds are 4 balls only.

i think u should forget about the 2 star potential he's either a role player or a 6th man.

I had 9, count 'em 9, 18 year old 1-2 ball word of mouth players turn into 5 ball players last season with the group demonstration. I didn't end up scouting anything worthwhile, though.

I'm considering doing it again this season because I've just flushed 27 scouting points down the toilet