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When two teams have a mutual agreement to TIE is it cheating, specifically in International Competition?

It is not cheating at all.
Personally I find it unfair. The other coaches find it fair. This topic usually leads to 50+ useless posts where users are trying to prove their point of view and still each of them doesn't change his own.

As for me mutual TIE proposal shows the weakness of the coach first. Such a coach is so stressed by trying to decide about the enthusiasm schedule that he needs to use the way of the weak-minded coach. Proposing the mTIE means that in case of positive answer you know that your opponent almost for sure plays TIE and don't bother about choosing E. If you get the negative answer - you know your opponent almost for sure will not play TIE. So that you get the info in "morally illegal" way. Not answering to such a proposal almost means the negative answer.

And if one team breaks the agreement is it worse or just more gamesman ship?
I find it as a normal way of how to stop such proposals. No other way can be useful.


No need to argue with me. I have my own feeling of it and I would not change it. That's my strong position. No need to prove anything to me.
And finally it just a game.

What about if there are 2 friends in a league, and they play each other this week. Are you saying you and your friend wouldn't agree to play TIE against each other?

First of all the games at NT level differ from the games at usual level due to a number of games.

What about if there are 2 friends in a league, and they play each other this week. Are you saying you and your friend wouldn't agree to play TIE against each other?

What about if you play in the league where there are 2 friends who play mTIE so that they get a little advantage. I don't like such situations and I don'w want my opponents to get it. I don't bother if they do it, that's their business, but I'm just too fair all my life to do the same.

If there are 2 friends in a league I expect that they would do it, not saying they should or that it is fair or anything, I'm just saying that I expect that it will happen. But in saying that, I don't think it is cheating either. It is a bit like daytrading I think, some people don't like the idea of it and think it is cheating, but in reality it happens and is good for the teams that do it.

I'm sorry everybody I cannot get the writeups done,ive had limited computer access and I have had health issuesin the family. Ill try and get writeups for the last tw weeks of games and predictions for the next round of games asap.

The game writeups for two weeks ago are going to be a bit shorter :P

Pool A:
Norge 66 Italia 95
Italia put up some unreal ratings in this one! Both teams used the same effort so that could've been TIE or normal. POTG: Leonardo Biondi had a game high 20 points, to go with an 18.0 rating and 5 rebounds.

Luxembourg 79 Hrvatska 163
Wow, never thought id see an awful rating in a NT game. Oh wait its luxembourg, nevermind. This game was really never in question. Luxembourg even put more effort into this one. POTG: Maks Zakula had a game high 27 points on 12-16 shooting to go with a +60 plus minus, 11 rebounds and a 16.5 rating.

Belarus 94 Turkiye 110
Belarus got off to a good start,but the Turkiye took over like they should have. POTG: Alpetkin Tuna was the catch of the day posting 20 points, 6 assists and 4 rebounds to go with a 17.o rating.

Bulgaria 131 Latvija 119
What is up with Latvija? I expected them to do better than this. Don't get me wrong BUlgaria put up some great ratings although they used more effort, but Latvija just isn't cutting it right now. POTG: Mark Lamov had 13 points and 12 rebounds to go with a game high 19.0 rating.

1.Italia(1) 4-0 465 304
2.Hrvatska(3) 4-0 497 375
3.Türkiye(2) 4-0 486 364
4.Latvija(4) 2-2 514 459
5.Bulgaria(5) 1-3 410 450
6.Belarus(7) 1-3 432 485
7.Norge(6) 0-4 331 410
8.Luxembourg(8) 0-4 329 617

Turkiye 119 Bulgaria 109
Turkiye +21 rebounding advantage was obvious in this one. Bulgaria put up a fight. Bulgaria was leading at half, but that halftime speech really got into Turkiye and they came out as a new unit and totally took over. POTG: Sirri Yakutoglu put up a game high 19.5 rating, a game high 34 points, a game high 14 rebounds and did it on 15-18 shooting, easy choice.

Italia 124 Belarus 94
Belarus has great inside ratings, game in, game out. They are just too weak on the outside to be a threat and it hurts them. POTG: Nazzareno Li Mandri had 24 points and a 19.0 rating in this one.

Hrvatska 104 Norge 95
Hrvatska put up some ratings that could be threatening to Italia and Turkiye, but not threatening enough I dont think. Norge put up a good effort in this one, but in the end it wasn't enough. POTG: Mijo Topic had a game high 29 points, a game high 18.5 rating and a game high 5 assists.

Latvija 169 Luxembourg 105
WOAH,Luxembourg scored 100+ points? Latviaj really isn't having a good tournament. This is rattling. Either way another blowout loss for Luxembourg and did anyone expect different? Luxembourg did put up a rating above respectable...POTG:Martins Lubarts had a 13.5 rating a team high 29 points and 5 assists.

My predictions:
Turkiye(41) at Italia(24)
BIG GAME. The winner of this game is almost guaranteed a top two spot. Italia has a preety good GS situation and they could try a few things. Turkiye also has a pretty good GS update. I have to go with Italia cause I ranked them higherand they have HCA, but this could come down to tactics. My pick: Italia.

Latvija(31) at Hrvatska(26)
Another big game. I think Hrvatska needs to win this one if they want to advance past the first round. Latvija has had a weak tournament so far and I don't think that will change. Hrvatska had a GS update that could make them go with an outside offense,but we'll see what they do. A whole bunch of respectables for Lativja and that could spell the end for Latvija, while I already think it is over for them this game should be the nail in the coffin. My pick: Hrvatska.

Luxembourg(96) at Bulgaria(50)
Bulgaria are the recipients of the free win award this week. This is about as predictable as Lakers vs Cava- ohh wait.. :D. My pick: Bulgaria

Norge(65) at Belarus(54)
If Norge can stand up against Belarus' inside attack then they could win, other then that they got no chance. My pick: Belarus.

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Short but nice. As usual. I enjoy it.

Pool B:
Rossiya 89 Schweiz 103
This game was a possible upset alert before the game, but Schweiz won as they should. Scweiz put up awesome ratings and look poised to take this group. POTG: Dominik Denzler put up a game high 30 points, a game high 11 rebounds, to go with 5 assists and a 17.5 rating.

Bosnia i Hercegovina 106 Eesti 114
Bosnia i Hercegovina's ratings were impressive, but Eesti was just a little better. They both used the same effort which shows that bosnia i Hercegovina really could've won with a bounce here or there. All of the fouls that Bosnia i Hercegovina committed really hurt them, as they made the same amount of FGs as Eesti, but Eesti got 11 more FTs. POTG: Maario Pruler had a 13.5 rating and 23 points in the win.

Shqiperia 106 Hellas 117
Shqiperia CT'd against Hellas' TIE and still lost although Hellas was losing heading into the fourth and outscored Shqiperia by 20 points to scratch out a tough win. POTG: Themos Mpanasas had a 14.5 rating, 24 points and 9 rebounds.

Malta 87 Nederland 136
Malta is the weakest team in this Pool and it showed in this one as Nederland really just took control of this game. Nederlands 82 point first half really put the game away. POTG: Eelke Apotheker had 26 points, a 16.5 rating and a game high 5 assists.

1.Schweiz(1) 4-0 484 348
2.Eesti(2) 4-0 469 367
3.Nederland(3) 4-0 489 388
4.Hellas(5) 3-1 432 376
5.Rossiya(4) 1-3 402 448
6.Bosna i Hercegovina(6) 0-4 404 448
7.Shqipëria(7) 0-4 351 477
8.Malta(8) 0-4 322 501

Hellas 102 Bosnia i Hercegovina 89
Bosnia i Hercegovina and Hellas put up some fairly even ratings and it looks like Bosnia i Hercegovina could've even won, but Hellas pulled out the win and an important win it was for them as they are now 3-1 and if they manage to pull out a couple wins they could possibly advance. POTG: Yiorgos Aggelikos had a game high 31 points and a game high 18 rebounds to go with a 16.5 rating.

Schweiz 130 Shqiperia 73
Schweiz put up some more impressive ratings in this one. Schweiz put up 30+ in every quarter and really fully dominated this game. Schweiz really looks strong in this pool. POTG: Steeve Le Naour had a game high 21 points along with a game high 19.5 rating, 6 rebounds and 4 assists.

Nederland 118 Rossiya 100
Both teams put up great ratings in this game, but this loss for Rossiya is the nail in the coffin. Nederland looks strong and could very possibly advance in this game, but it is going to come down to the final three games. POTG: Douwe van der Pennen had 24 points, a game high 11 assists and a 17.0 rating.

Eesti 117 Malta 70
Eesti received the free win of the week against Malta and are one of the three teams with a 4-0 record and have a legitimate chance at advancing to the next round. Malta put up some decent ratings, but are still definetly the worst team in this pool. POTG: Alar Arumeel had an 18.5 rating to go along with 16 points and a game high 17 rebounds.

My predictions:
Eesti(29) at Nederland(23)
Whoever wins this game is going to have to win just one of the following two games and the losing team is going to need to win out to advance. My pick: Eesti has a stronger team and I think they should win this game.

Hellas(46) at Schweiz(2)
Schweiz really has a great situation and this should be a win for them which almost insure a spot in the next round. I think Hellas may CT this game however, because they are going to need to win out to advance because 2 losses probably will not cut it. My pick: Scweiz puts an end to Hellas' 2nd round hopes.

Rossiya(63) at Shqiperia(61)
Rossiya really has the stronger team, but in situations where neither team has much to play for it gets very unpredictable. My pick: Rossiya should pull this one out.

Malta(87) at Bosnia i Hercegovina(48)
While neither team really has too much to play for Malta is just to weak of a team to win a game to me. My pick: Bosnia i Hercegovina.


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i just realized that i talked about the gameshape before the update, woops ;)

Pool C:
Andorra 83 France 121
After a tied up first quarter France put up an unbelievably defensive quarter holding Andorra to only 6 point, while also putting up 34. The 2nd quarter blew the game open and France never looked back from there. France had great ratings and had a very balanced scoring attack. POTG: Xavier Lepape had a team high 24 points and an 18.0 rating.

Cymru 82 Deutschland 127
Anything you can do I can do better. Deutscland oneupped France in this one. Deutschland scored more points then France did and allowed less points. The matchup between France and Deutschland is getting closer and closer and the anticipation is building. POTG: Giuliano Amitrani had a game high 18.0 rating to go along with 16 points and a game high 12 rebounds.

Slovenija 99 Ceska Rep. 111
In the game of the week Ceska Rep. managed to pull out a victory against a very strong Slovenija team. Slovenija's inside ratings were very impressive, but Ceska Rep. had a more balanced ratings and it really was the difference. POTG: Viktorin Sedlar had a 15.0 rating to go with 8 rebounds and 19 points on 9-13 shooting.

Cyprus 103 Makedonija 117
Cyprus put more into this one and it didn't work for them. They just couldn't handle Makedonijas dominance on the inside. Makedonija is looking strong right now and is looking like a minor threat at the moment. POTG: Jovce Vidinovski had 22 points, a game high 13 rebounds and a 15.0 rating.

1.France(2) 4-0 508 363
2.Deutschland(1) 4-0 459 344
3.Makedonija(5) 4-0 462 404
4.Ceska Rep.(4) 3-1 479 400
5.Cyprus(6) 1-3 382 433
6.Slovenija(3) 0-4 374 443
7.Andorra(8) 0-4 378 516
8.Cymru(7) 0-4 377 516

Makedonija 103 Slovenija 90
I don't know how Makdonija is making this much noise. With this victory over Slovenija the very slim hopes they had at advancing is now gone. Very surprising to see Slovenija go 0-4! I dont know what happend I had high expectations for them heading into the tournament and it looks like they crumbled. POTG: Bojan Miloshevski was Makedonijas offense dropping a game high 39 points, a team high 5 assists and an 18.0 rating.

France 120 Cyprus 78
France put up some unbelievable ratings in this domination of Cyprus. Their look Inside offense produced much better ratings then there outside offenses and it seems that that will be their go-to offense. POTG: Joffrey Deschamps had a game high 19.0 rating to go with a team high 16 points and a game high 12 rebounds.

Deutschland 123 Andorra 79
With the awesome ratings that Deutschland posted with their outside offense it looks like the france vs Deutschland game could be a game of contrasting styles and I can't wait! Oh, and Andorra got completely dominated in this one spelling the end of their run for the 2nd round. POTG: Philipp-Stephan Pahl had a game high 25 points and a game high 18.0 rating.

Ceska Rep. 123 Cymru 86
Cymru's ratings weren't that much worse then Ceska Rep., but they got completely dominated in this one and Ceska Rep. still has legitimate hopes at the 2nd round. POTG: Jeronym Hana posted 21 points, a 15.5 rating and 6 rebounds in the win.

My predictions:
Ceska Rep(25) at Deutschland(17)
Deutschland has a huge talent advantage and they had a good GS update. My pick: Deutschland will end Ceska Rep.s chances at making it to the next round.

Cymru(84) at Slovenija(62)
Slovenija started off against the top 4 teams in the pool and lost all 4. They should win their final three, but their chances at the 2nd round are one. Disappointing tournament for them. My pick: Slovenija.

Andorra(66) at Cyprus(53)
Andorra and Cyprus are close in talent, but I give the edge to Cyprus. They are close in GS, but i give the edge to Cyprus. My pick: Cyprus with their hopes at the 2nd round all but gone they should just put away a couple wins.