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I understand that the German goverment is ashamed of what happened in the past (don't get me wrong, it's normal to be ashamed). Does that mean we need to remove that era from the history books in school? Remove the symbols so noone would recognize them? How is that correctly coping with the problem.
History books written in russian still teach that USSR freed Estonia. Actually it was worse than being occupied by Germany. Nazi Germany obviously was out to hunt the Jews (and I'm pretty sure that some people they wanted dead, were market as Jews, it did not matter who the person actually was). When the Communistic USSR took over, it was more miserable time for estonians, some of our people got deported to siberia (to make room for russians), where most of them died. That's a genocide. It was a part of their russification plan. Call someone a nazi and he gets deported. They still think they were the liberators of europe.
So because of this, should we ban russians from Estonia? Should we hate russians? Should I stop talking to my russian friends? It's history and there is nothing we can do about it. Pulling a curtain over it and saying it did not happen is not the correct way to deal with it.

NB! To the mods, this is history, but if you think it violates any rules of the forums you are welcome to delete it. Or mod it if you please.

Last edited by Kukoc at 7/5/2012 7:29:13 AM

It´s vice versa. The era is not erased from the schoolbooks or whatever, it´s heavily tought and discussed. It´s just to avoid abuse of the symbolistic value and to avoid any propagandic use that the use and display is widespread banned.

Same is for example for carplates which might suggest admiration of NeoNazi-Thinking (such as SS, SA and HH) and other coded displays going back to the Nazi thinking.

The discission of the Era aswell as the educational aspect is very active and the oppositve ot erasure.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 7/5/2012 7:44:03 AM

Probadly the problem is that PC games aren't considered at art, so the general law against those forbidden signs make them illegal. And this law is in my eyes good, since i don't want the Nazi run through germany with Swastikas and SS runes. i saw one of them 2-3 month ago in the supermarket with Swastika earrings and felt very ashamed.

In books the signs are ok, when the context is ok(they can get banend when they are antisemitic) since it is art, it is also allowed for education and News. But it is generell forbidden on shirts etc., since the justice shouldn't forbid every single Item after release or a small change(and PC games are more lifestyle product for the law).

Does this discussion really belong in the bugs forum? I don't think so. Please, have such discussions elsewhere. I will allow only one more post which better contain a link to a continuation of this discussion and then I'll close the thread.

A question to both of you. Are games like Wolfenstein and Call of Duty banned in Germany?

i think i can move this to non BB, so you don't have to close it.

the inital purpose should be known now.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/5/2012 8:54:57 AM

A question to both of you. Are games like Wolfenstein and Call of Duty banned in Germany?

the original versions are:

http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=5975...

here you see a comparision betwen german and US versions, and the new nazi symbol.

So basically for a german living in Spain for example, it's ok to play the original versions, or sell nazi symbolics, emblems, tattoos?

So basically for a german living in Spain for example, it's ok to play the original versions, or sell nazi symbolics, emblems, tattoos?

he had to follow the the spanish laws, even when i would say that the last 3 thing aren't ok after my moral standards.

Also he isn't allowed to sell the nazi symbolis to germany, since those products ain't allowed in germany.

Would you prefer to play the games mentioned in original or modded version?

don't like this kind of games that much, but on movies it would disturb me. On games i have the tendency not to be to close to the story, so i am not sure(there i disliked more things like green blood etc. to make it possible to sell it to younger persons)