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I can get your point, but you are talking to be about a sport that i dont even know the rules unfortunately...i tried really hard to watch some games, but it was so boooring for me...

trust me, it is VERY boring as a player too... not nearly as bad as watching on TV... but quite boring still.

I wish I could translate the example with as much knowledge and passion to a different sport (such as basketball), but I unfortuneately cannot.

As to... other guy who posted in reply to me. You mean Gatlin specifically right? I agree with that. I have a friend from SH who prior to the 2000 Olympics failed a drug test... (marijuana) so could not compete, despite having made the olympics. Should have been there if he made smarter choices. When Michael Phelps got busted, by 700 people, at a party, on youtube, etc. I was like... so, how come this guy gets to be special and keep coming back etc.? Because he had already gotten his gold medals. My friend, was unfortunate to have it happen before the playing even began, so he was not above the law like Phelps.

The hypocrisy in sports is ridiculous.

The hypocrisy in sports is ridiculous.

absolutely!

Gatlin is one, but there is several more.

One example is Tatyana Lysenko, russian hammer thrower.. She was caught for peds in 2007. Was banned for two years and now she is back and won gold in the Olympics.

Robert Harting may or may not be doping but the gold winner in discus has a coach which is as shady as they come. His coach was one of east germanys infamous dopecoaches.
Full story:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/60...

I was watching the discus finals and really, really hoped he would not win...but of course he did.

Michael Phelps was suspended for 3 months for the marijuana pipe incident. Perhaps you think it should be longer, but its not exactly a performance enhancing drug. I'm sure if it had been a month before the Olympics, there's a chance he'd have missed the Olympics.

Gatlin was suspended for 4 years for using steroids. I don't know...should it be a life ban?

Part of what went wrong in baseball is that the game was "benefiting" from all the home run records falling. So I think management and media sort of looked the other way. I can't believe all these reporters and coaches didn't know...that's impossible. But all you'd hear about is the ball being juiced and silly stuff like that....

i think low punishment for THC is ok, imho the european law could orientate in that manner at must of the US federations. I like especially the NBA model, where you had to make a threatment when you caufgth the second time using thc. I am pretty sure it isn't enhancing drug, or at least not more then legal pain killers with less sideeffects.

But especially in the multi million dollar sports, i think they had to make more intense testings. I could understand the athletes when they are juicing, when you get much more money when you are just a little bit better and nearly all pro train at there limit. So the risk to get caught need to be higher, also for the athletes so that the fair athletes become the pay check they deserve and the other didn't risk using performance enhancing drugs. That means for me testing, like they do at the olympics which include blood test and the possibility to test again in few years to find the stuff you couldn't detect today(and then the fine should be base on the money they got, i know player like Webber maybe burned they millions already but the most of them should still have a big bank account).

Gatlin was suspended for 4 years for using steroids. I don't know...should it be a life ban?

Part of what went wrong in baseball is that the game was "benefiting" from all the home run records falling. So I think management and media sort of looked the other way. I can't believe all these reporters and coaches didn't know...that's impossible. But all you'd hear about is the ball being juiced and silly stuff like that....

You don't think Gatlin, or USA sprinting has benefitted from Gatlin using steroids?
The guy didn't even really miss a beat financially during the stretch either because he kept getting to go onto "Pros Vs. Joes".

8 years later, "not on the juice" and I am to believe he can still run at a 9.78 100m clip, almost as fast as Yohan Blake? less than .20 seconds slower than Usain Bolt?

Gatlin was suspended for 4 years for using steroids. I don't know...should it be a life ban?

Part of what went wrong in baseball is that the game was "benefiting" from all the home run records falling. So I think management and media sort of looked the other way. I can't believe all these reporters and coaches didn't know...that's impossible. But all you'd hear about is the ball being juiced and silly stuff like that....

You don't think Gatlin, or USA sprinting has benefitted from Gatlin using steroids?
The guy didn't even really miss a beat financially during the stretch either because he kept getting to go onto "Pros Vs. Joes".

8 years later, "not on the juice" and I am to believe he can still run at a 9.78 100m clip, almost as fast as Yohan Blake? less than .20 seconds slower than Usain Bolt?

Honestly, I don't know what Gatlin's financial situation was...I'm not sure he was making a lot off running while he was suspended. Also, I think its impossible to say what he'd have run without the steroid use 4 years ago. I'm also a little skeptical of all the sprinter in the 100M races...I wouldn't be surprised if any of them tested positive at some point.

I'm actually more in the camp that says all steroid users should get lifetime bans....although I'm curious how many accidental and inadvertent positive tests they have. Not that this is what's happening in most cases...but if somebody does take the wrong supplement and tests too high or positive for something, do they deserve a lifetime band?

Gatlin was suspended for 4 years for using steroids. I don't know...should it be a life ban?

Part of what went wrong in baseball is that the game was "benefiting" from all the home run records falling. So I think management and media sort of looked the other way. I can't believe all these reporters and coaches didn't know...that's impossible. But all you'd hear about is the ball being juiced and silly stuff like that....

You don't think Gatlin, or USA sprinting has benefitted from Gatlin using steroids?
The guy didn't even really miss a beat financially during the stretch either because he kept getting to go onto "Pros Vs. Joes".

8 years later, "not on the juice" and I am to believe he can still run at a 9.78 100m clip, almost as fast as Yohan Blake? less than .20 seconds slower than Usain Bolt?

Honestly, I don't know what Gatlin's financial situation was...I'm not sure he was making a lot off running while he was suspended. Also, I think its impossible to say what he'd have run without the steroid use 4 years ago. I'm also a little skeptical of all the sprinter in the 100M races...I wouldn't be surprised if any of them tested positive at some point.

I'm actually more in the camp that says all steroid users should get lifetime bans....although I'm curious how many accidental and inadvertent positive tests they have. Not that this is what's happening in most cases...but if somebody does take the wrong supplement and tests too high or positive for something, do they deserve a lifetime band?

Melky Cabrera caught today in baseball... admited straight up he was taking PEDs.
is anyone surprised he was? 6 years pro, career .265 BA, this season, hitting .360 by itself. 0 all-stars before this season. This season got all-star nod over McCutchen (who should be MVP consideration), and was the allstar game MVP.

50 game suspension... as if that discourages players... I agree, should be lifetime bans.

i think lifetime ban are a bit hard, more control and bans like the one from gatling are fine in my eyes.

.although I'm curious how many accidental and inadvertent positive tests they have

A courius doping case, i just remember is the one from the german Table tennis player Otcharov who had a positiv test for Clenbuternol after he come back from a tournament in china. He offered the Nada and the german anti doping foundation, enough indication that he got cootamined through eaten meat in china.

I believe the point in his favour was:
- they give it sometimes to the animals in china
- there was also a very small concentration of clenbuternol in the blood of his teammate Timo Boll
- clenbuternol makes you stronger, but the muscle also get a tremor which is contra productive for a tt player
- a hair analysys showed that he doesn't use it long term, which is needed to get an effect out of it.

Another courious case was a german runner who claimed someone poisoned his tooth paste, but he got fined for it. And i don't think so many people believed him. I believed there was also controversial betwen the national and the international doping agencys about this case, probadly you can google for dieter Baumann. if you can translate it, this one is probadly quite intresting to read -> http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/doping-dieter-baumann-ch..., since there was two different judgement in this case and a ban of nearly all german runners involved in this case.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 8/16/2012 4:06:57 AM

i think lifetime ban are a bit hard, more control and bans like the one from gatling are fine in my eyes.

Ok. I could live with 4 year bans. Melky Cabrera... see you in 2016 August, have some respect for the game, and the people that play the game the right way. 4 years no MLB paycheck.

I could live with that.

As others have alluded to, weed and alcohol are more common in the NBA. There's been more reports of NBA players using that than PED's.