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I'm going to be really blunt here.

I think the winner needs to really take on the role almost entirely themselves. With maybe one or two other helpers.

Why?

You can really get a taste of U21 management and build a long term vision and team to your play style to really test in the second term.

The whole mentoring thing sounds so pretty and flowery, but in reality, is sucks.

People get busy, and can drop off at any point, leaving the manager doing all the lifting he was hoping he didn't have to do.

It sucks, it's life.

My suggestion is to get the conversation going, but keep a tight control over the development of all trainees.

In the second term, start delegating those tasks to others so they can add their own influence and eventually take over, and all your hard work can be put to the test in the 2nd term, rather than relying on everyone else to mentor.

It worked for me the first term.

Can't say I enjoyed my second term, though I did stop Latino from winning the election so you can all ball me for that.

Valid points, Iwen, but I will have to disagree. The reason why I don't agree is simple: You are an excellent manager who ran the U21 NT in a manner that worked for you. Sure, as you stated, eventually people dropped away for a variety of reasons and you were left to do it mostly alone. My hope is that if a sound structure exists, is open to all and is easily accessible, then that kind of situation (where you are running 90% of it---or more) isn't as pronounced.

Mr Green - you won't be getting my vote.

Some of the questions I see you ask, leave me wondering... "Do you any clue what you're doing."
Some of the purchases I see you make, leave me wondering... "Do you have any clue what you're doing."
Some of the decisions I see you make, leave me wondering... "Do you have any clue what you're doing."
Have you been tanking for the last ten seasons? Who knows what you're doing. (P.s. I do NOT want to hear about your 40 year plan.)

Have you ever made a choice without someone else's opinion. (If you say yes, it was probably a bad decision.)


But what I'm getting at is I ...

I feel like you have awfully slow learning curve, and have not proven yourself from a strategic stand point that you deserve this position. Lets be honest the U21 is huge and hence I'll be casting my vote for someone whom I feel has earned the position.

It's easier to be active in the forums than it is to understand how to play the game.

You should be the teams PR Manager or something. I don't know.

Am I right, or wrong and just poking fun?

Tell me how you have proven yourself? (If you have in you're speech, I apologise. But I ain't reading all that. Give it to me in dot points.)

This is pretty brutal, and may be over exaggerated. Maybe not.
Either way, I got a laugh from it. LOL

Last edited by RazorSharp at 6/11/2013 8:37:34 AM

I think it is a noble concept. I hope it works.

Just remember, ultimately the manager is accountable for all things U21.

If people drop off or the quality of mentoring is poor.... that can mean a few poor seasons of U21 talent.

You're entitled to your opinion, Razor as is every other manager who gets to cast a vote. Your overall comments that suggest I'm a shithouse manager is one view...and again, your entitled to it.

At no stage have I even hinted (reread what I have posted) that I am a great manager. In fact, I recall a recent post where Sid suggested I be considered and I immediately replied along the lines that I am not in their league. So, if you are after a response to your personal attacks you'll not get any gratification from me.

So, if I admit I'm not a great manager why am I running? Simple: I love this game and want to see it progress. I enjoy posting in the forums and agree that posting often doesn't mean I know what I'm doing. I'm always learning, Razor. Hell, I just learnt that you can appear nice and respectful in private but dish out the trash in public for your own joy. I just learned that about you. Lesson learned.

I stand by my proposal to set a foundation for the U21 NT and I at least rate myself enough to believe I can do the job. Will I fail? Perhaps? Will you enjoy that? Certainly. Regardless, Razor, I will enjoy every minute of trying it and somewhere along the line I'll provide the Aussie community with something of value.

At least I have the balls to put my name forward knowing I'll get them placed in a vice for all to see, mate. I knew that when I entered this election. Just as well I've got big balls eh?

I will give out my info tomorrow sometime. But a point I raised about setting up a new federation for both NT and 21 NT is that each user is limited to 5 federations in total they can be a member of. I for example are in 5 atm. How will this sort of thing effect those who would want to join if there are now 2 more they should join up for?

I think it is a noble concept. I hope it works.

Just remember, ultimately the manager is accountable for all things U21.

If people drop off or the quality of mentoring is poor.... that can mean a few poor seasons of U21 talent.

Agreed. I guess I am reliant on the Aussie community taking some ownership of the developing players. Like yourself, Iwen, in life, when others let me down I get the job done myself. Always have, always will.

Appreciate your honesty.

I think people need to be reminded that when I got elected to U21, I hadn't even made ABBL yet. I eventually did once my U21 players graduated (all part of a plan...)

We're at the point where all the oldies like myself are not keen to run anymore, we'll be here to hand out a bit of advice and provide direction, but it's all about the new boys.

Enthusiasm is a great tool. I love the life all these new managers have given Aus BB, at a time when even my own interest is lacking, it has been fun reading all these posts.

Matty has been a fantastic bloke, as have all the other guys running for the gig. We don't necessarily need the BEST manager.

We just need someone who will bring everyone together like the good old days and make it relevant to everyone again.

Maybe we need to look beyond the achievements of teams. Sometimes there are external factors that make situations difficult, such as hard III leagues, bad timings for injury, etc. It's just the hand some teams have been dealt.

A mighty fine response! Credit where it is due.

Even though the voting has just opened, I think that your response will have earned you many votes.

Good job Mr Green.

Last edited by RazorSharp at 6/11/2013 8:54:46 AM

I appreciate the sentiment, Iwen. I also agree that---as is the case in RL---the most qualified person for the job doesn't necessarily end up being the right person for the job.

I'm looking forward to others putting forward their speeches regarding the U21 NT...

A mighty fine response! Credit where it is due.

Even though the voting has just opened, I think that your response will have earned you many votes.

Good job Mr Green.

I appreciate that, mate. :-)

I will give out my info tomorrow sometime. But a point I raised about setting up a new federation for both NT and 21 NT is that each user is limited to 5 federations in total they can be a member of. I for example are in 5 atm. How will this sort of thing effect those who would want to join if there are now 2 more they should join up for?

I would have thought the answer to that, Mickyster, was self-evident: Priorities.

You, like others who are members of 5 federations, will have to decide what federation has greater value. How highly do you rate the development of the U21 NT? Given that you are running I would say highly. Therefore, logic would suggests that if I was elected and implemented this system, you would leave one of your 5 federations and join this one. Perhaps I'm wrong.

I don't mean to appear dismissvie, mate, but like you said, we can only be a member of 5 federations...