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Discouraging tanking while crippling new teams at the same time is a pretty bad compromise.

Stop with this argument, it makes no sense. The floor does not apply for 16 weeks, people start with larger arenas, prizes for promotion are higher, what else do you want for new managers? No floor for 8 seasons? 10x promotion prizes? 10k seat arena to begin the game? Come on let's be reasonable, this one about "new managers" is a completely ridiculous argument.

I can't find a team right now that is ~16 weeks old, but I am pretty sure most of those teams have not finished their stadium and a pretty bad roster, that does not fit the salary floor criteria.

New players make exactly $0 less than before since the floor does not apply. New players also have ca 1k extra seats compared to before, which, believe it or not, generate extra income from the get go. So complaining because they make, maybe, 20k less per week well into their second season and they have more than 1 season without floor seems puzzling.

Let's check some numbers shall we?
Salary floor = -420k
Minimum staff = -6k
TV = 195k
Merch = 85k
Net = -156k

To make a profit in D1 in England you need to make 156k per week. Now, at max prices (20,70, 200, 4000) the initial arena will pay you $163,760 every week. So even if you have been messing around and did nothing in 16 weeks to expand your arena, even if you are in D1 in a micronation, you will make a profit.

Off course if you're not in D1 you will actually be better off, so again what are we talking about?

How would a good starting strategy for a new team in DIV II-III look like right now? I don't know, but I am pretty sure the salary floor is a huge handicap for beginners in the first few months.

a) there is no floor for the first 4 months
b) you should build the arena, same as before, except you start with a larger arena than before
c) beginners usually don't tank. It's the experienced managers who do. If they don't tank, it's unlikely they will be affected by the salary floor.

And finally, I would like to see some statistics about teams below the salary floor and not tanking.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/18/2016 1:25:45 PM

I can't deny BB's efforts to bring a more equitable economic system to the game. Yet, this change will cause harm to the payroll efficient teams rather than punishing tanking teams. Someone who wants to tank would still do it as they have nothing to lose but a small amount of money compared to their profits. Tanking still makes you a significant amount of money and the managers will keep on taking advantage of it. There must be better ways to punish them while you make sure other managers are not affected by your decision.

Last season, I managed to make it to the finals with my payroll below the salary floor. With some players up and down in their salaries, my salary total remained same after the preseason update and I will be paying $30.000 each week basically for nothing if I don't add a new player to my roster. I am in a rebuilding process for some seasons now and don't have intention of improving my roster until my trainees become ready to compete at top level. I already loose each second I don't spend my money. It's my choice and the inflation in the market is simply killing me. So, in addition to that, why am I forced to spend money in this overspending market just to reach the salary floor? Instead, I believe I should be awarded for being able to compete against expensive teams with my humble team and do not deserve to be treated almost as same as tanking teams in terms of fan survey when I lost against a team that pay twice my team for salaries.

Can't write a long answer now, but there are a few things you mention, that in my opinion are wrong. Maybe tomorrow...

It is more about the opposition as you've said. In a tougher league, I would have probably finished between 5-7 or barely made play-offs. Even if that's the case, I think my point still stands.

If I believed $30.000 would make the difference, I would have improved my roster without a second thought. However, the cost of championship is much more than $30.000 and I do not want to spend that money until my trainees turn 26-27 years old. Therefore, I'd rather not spend $30.000 because it makes almost no difference as far as my final standing is concerned.

Who knows, maybe with those $30.000 split over some players or a better player, you would have won the final. You lost 5 of the 8 games against the other conference, so it's not a big domination on your part either.

Still, congrats on succeeding with a financially succesful roster. Bit telling about the opposition though.

I see.
For those who make due with limited salaries, being competitive without being dominant, isn't really that competitive!

Discouraging tanking while crippling new teams at the same time is a pretty bad compromise.

I can't find a team right now that is ~16 weeks old, but I am pretty sure most of those teams have not finished their stadium and a pretty bad roster, that does not fit the salary floor criteria.

How would a good starting strategy for a new team in DIV II-III look like right now? I don't know, but I am pretty sure the salary floor is a huge handicap for beginners in the first few months.

Strategies at ANY level for tripling your team salary to get up to the floor:

1. Buy enough players to get up to the salary floor? No, the Transfer Market is wildly, wildly overpriced so all they can do is throw money at garbage players.
2. Buy more expensive staff? No, staff salaries don't count against the floor.
3. Train up their players so their salaries rise to meet the floor? No, training works in 6 or 8 or 10 seasons, not 16 weeks.
4. ___________ open for suggestions ...

First of all, your time frame there is a helluva lot longer than 16 weeks. That's all new teams will have, and many of them need to triple their salary base to get above the floor. I think a LOT more teams are going to have to operate below the floor, and that is sure to stimulate joy in the hearts of new coaches ... NOT.

I bought pretty bad players for some positions that was better then my starting players

So did I, when I wasn't troubled by the higher salary floor. That was one of the possibilities I considered, but the Transfer Market is only getting worse and worse.

added some seats now and then to my arena

Irrelevant to the salary floor, as far as I know.

trained my own drafted players with an advanced trainer.

Again, I am looking at the 16-week grace period given new teams. Training results are not within that window, and an advanced trainer is likely to be beyond the reach of a new team trying to get above the salary floor.

...as my economy grew ... after another promotion ...

... and we have left the 16 week window far behind in the dust. As I suspected, so far there aren't many suggestions how a new team is going to triple its salary base in 16 weeks to get above the floor.

I was at no point so low in salary that I would have been hit by the salary floor either.

Maybe missing out on that experience makes it hard to walk a mile in such a manager's shoes.