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Here is where I wonder if Rebound Ratings mean anything at all.

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288583.15 in reply to 288583.14
Date: 7/23/2017 2:25:51 PM
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3) you should check for the dreaded rebounds out of bounds that do not show up in the box score.


You mean the 'bounces up and over the backboard' rebounds?

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Date: 7/23/2017 2:47:29 PM
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If we assume that for each rebound each team has equal probability ot grabing it (since the ratings were very similar)
According to Bernoulli distribution, the probability of one of the teams to grab 48 or less out of 114 total rebounds is:
p=0.111

It means that in 11 games out of each 100 games like that, there will be a rebounding difference like that or bigger.

Now, if you look randomly for games with equal rebounding ratings between both teams, and the actual rebounding difference is singnificantly different than that, you will have a point.


Adding FT's missed with the potential for a rebound, I get total misses of 126 (62 Opp, 64 Sungrazers).
Does that change the number much?
Either way, this just seems like it one of those inexplicable things, like a good shooter going 0-18 from the field on a random night.

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288583.18 in reply to 288583.17
Date: 7/23/2017 3:14:37 PM
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I went back and found the game, he was actually only 0-17.
Hopefully that doesn't happen for another 2.5 million games or so.

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288583.19 in reply to 288583.16
Date: 7/23/2017 5:10:28 PM
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So you got 14/64 OREB and 34/62 DREB

He got 21/62 OREB and 45/64 DREB

As I said the numbers don't add up because of the 'ghost' rebounds. out of your 64 misses, 59 were rebounded (5 disappeared, they couldn't hold onto it type of thing). Out of his 62 misses, 55 were rebounded.

Therefore there are 12 rebounds which disappeared, not enough to rebalance the count, but almost. Also at half time the rebound count was 24 (8 offensive)-26 (7 offensive) so perhaps stamina might have come into play because the discrepancy is mostly due to the fact that his offensive rebounds spiked in the rest of the game.

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Date: 7/23/2017 5:28:15 PM
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So you got 14/64 OREB and 34/62 DREB

He got 21/62 OREB and 45/64 DREB

As I said the numbers don't add up because of the 'ghost' rebounds. out of your 64 misses, 59 were rebounded (5 disappeared, they couldn't hold onto it type of thing). Out of his 62 misses, 55 were rebounded.

Therefore there are 12 rebounds which disappeared, not enough to rebalance the count, but almost. Also at half time the rebound count was 24 (8 offensive)-26 (7 offensive) so perhaps stamina might have come into play because the discrepancy is mostly due to the fact that his offensive rebounds spiked in the rest of the game.


Yeah, thanks, from your comments and comments from others, it makes sense that this isn't such a crazy outcome.
I'm sure there have been games in the past where the outcome was favorable on my side, and I didn't notice it.
It would be cool if 'Team Rebounds' was a stat that the box score collected, so we could capture those missing boards and see who they belong to.

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288583.21 in reply to 288583.20
Date: 7/24/2017 2:26:54 AM
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I appreciate the guys who chimed in as well. Learn something new every day and It's much appreciated!

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288583.22 in reply to 288583.1
Date: 7/24/2017 11:01:36 AM
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I don't know if someone already pointed out in the previous answers the fact that your small forward had 0 RB while his direct opponent had 15!
Team rating is a medium value but the man to man difference maybe has its relevance in the actual ratings.

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288583.23 in reply to 288583.22
Date: 7/24/2017 11:40:25 AM
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I don't know if someone already pointed out in the previous answers the fact that your small forward had 0 RB while his direct opponent had 15!
Team rating is a medium value but the man to man difference maybe has its relevance in the actual ratings.


The SF outcome definitely played a part in my rebound discrepancy.

Do you know that team ratings are calculated as 'a medium value' (not sure if you mean average or median), or are you hypothesizing?

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288583.24 in reply to 288583.23
Date: 7/24/2017 11:57:56 AM
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just my guess!
doesn't matter the exact formula for team ratings if the engine is using the diference of man to man players.

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288583.25 in reply to 288583.24
Date: 7/24/2017 12:11:01 PM
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just my guess!
doesn't matter the exact formula for team ratings if the engine is using the diference of man to man players.


I think I get what you are saying, and I agree.
That would indeed help explain a lot about how this outcome took place.

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