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From: docend24

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80523.15 in reply to 80523.10
Date: 3/11/2009 9:57:02 AM
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Well, the value changes dramatically throughout the season so I think it wouldn't be wise to make a hard line of what is right is what is not. For example I bought a player for 1K at the start of previous season. Right before the playoffs his estimated value was up to 150K. If I would offer him for 150K right after I bought him what would you say? (of course he wouldn't been sold in this case but that doesn't matter)

I think we have suggestion board btw.

From: Kukoc

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80523.16 in reply to 80523.15
Date: 3/11/2009 10:11:34 AM
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I know there is a suggestion board. But this case is about getting to know how the GM-s work with transfers atm in case of high starting price, after which the player got sold with no reporting of the transfer from any other user.

From: CrazyEye

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80523.17 in reply to 80523.12
Date: 3/11/2009 10:40:05 AM
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I am really having trouble understanding your english...


(80523.11)

I posted a second version under i, i hope it is better to understand.

From: Kukoc

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80523.18 in reply to 80523.17
Date: 3/11/2009 10:54:40 AM
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Now I understood your point. But as I stated if the player that got sold changed the range of the player immediately from 30k-70k to 30k-600k then the GM can not determine the above the normal price sale. If it does not change the range then there is no problem. But I have seen ranges 50k-850k on my old SF so I am pretty sure that a few high sales will give cheaters a lot more room to play with. So basically raise the range with a few expendable accounts (that might get reported) and then go for a "legit" sale with his main account and another farm account.

From: CrazyEye

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80523.19 in reply to 80523.18
Date: 3/11/2009 11:05:31 AM
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is i very hard to find player with the same profil, because little differents give a player another comparisation.

So he must make a connection in buying this from one of the "expendable" accounts, iin buying a player from them and sell them right after for a high price ... And don't forget, the gm don't make guarantees that a job is done in 2 days. So the next sale could be caught because, he raised the transfer estimation.

I believe the most effective way for cheaters is to raise the price in the last minute, so that only few people see the skill and the too high price. Thats easier and faster then your way.

PS: One time the BB checked a player of mine,because he has a silly high transfer estimation - and maybe they caught some cheaters that way.

From: Jokehim
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80523.20 in reply to 80523.19
Date: 3/11/2009 11:40:35 AM
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As salary pretty much explains the capacity of a player there could be an upper roof for the listing price depending on salary (and then the salary if it was updated today of course and not the salary at start of season), potential and age. I am not saying that I favor such system but I think that it would be possible to implement without being too complicated. By having no upper limit for players with a salary fo $10000 you really would only stop ridiculous starting prices for poor to half-decent players and not the more difficult price ranges as it will be for high salary players.

But I have not got the signals from BB that there is a big problem of managers trying to sell players for clear overprices. In fact I think that it is the buyers transfer market and that it must be hard to daytrade in BB. My half-decent drafts gives me no money at all for instance.

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80523.21 in reply to 80523.16
Date: 3/11/2009 11:52:13 AM
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I know there is a suggestion board. But this case is about getting to know how the GM-s work with transfers atm in case of high starting price


I do not think it is a good practice to reveal the tools we have at our disposal. If all the users know what we can do, it will be easier to work around it.

My suggestion is to report whatever you think is illegal. Also, provide as much information about the case as possible. The more work I have to do to figure out what you mean, the less cases I can work on. Player ids, team ids and even the skills of players involved in high price transfers are all helpful information.

PS Just because it is clear to you that a punishment is in order does not mean it will be processed right away. It can take time to review a case and we want to make sure that we make the right decision.

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80523.22 in reply to 80523.21
Date: 3/11/2009 12:08:28 PM
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Cheaters are not stupid they will not make really obvious moves like 5mil.


Horrifically, some do.

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80523.23 in reply to 80523.22
Date: 3/11/2009 12:40:12 PM
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You cant always go by recent sales to determine value. I believe the TL comparison is a little bit rudimentary. I have seen two players I was interested in with very similar skills have a big difference in their recent sales value. I am sure most of us have bid over the price range before. I saw a C with trip respectable valued at 30k max, he went for over 100k. Is this cheating? No.

If someone has a habit of padding their bank account through shady TL play, it will likely show up in his transfer history.

From: Kukoc

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80523.24 in reply to 80523.23
Date: 3/11/2009 6:08:41 PM
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Iˇm not argueing transfers that go over the value with a lot of bids from different players. Just those that get one bid and is started at above the market value.

From: Astragoth

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80523.25 in reply to 80523.24
Date: 3/13/2009 5:27:27 AM
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even than. heathcoat has a point. the valuation is an estimate. like player and team ratings are an estimate or guideline. and alot off players read too much into that. not every transfer above market value is cheating, i am convinced most of these transfers arent.

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