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I think this is a type of "problem" that can't be solved with new laws...

I really think the BB staff shuold consider a type of salary cap per NT. It will definatly motivate "smarter" trainning...

I really think the BB staff shuold consider a type of salary cap per NT. It will definatly motivate "smarter" trainning...

but this will lead to more farm teams, because nowadays you could triain nt players and keep succesfull - with a cap they have to train a lot out of position.

I dont agree...

When you'll train multiposition and avoid the high salary there won't be any need for farm teams...

Actually, we are already training players out of position for side skills that we want that are not included under the positional training we get. It's become something of a challenge for us to train in such a manner yet maintain our performance in matches to continue winning, it's a constant juggling act. So that move won't lead to more farm teams than there are now.


LA-Shay, I do note the problem of farm teams in that once they get numerous enough, all the NT players will eventually be playing in one if they are to have a hope to qualifying for the NT in the first place. Which deprives regular performance based teams hopes of having such a player.

But the dilemma is, while you have identified a problem, an acceptable solution has yet to be presented.

I dont agree...

When you'll train multiposition and avoid the high salary there won't be any need for farm teams...

so you are thinking that an team who plays his center at PG to train him Passing single position will be no Farm, and we don't talk about an single week?

PS: But i like to see the world, where NT say you are to good to play in the nationalteam :)

Last edited by CrazyEye at 4/9/2009 9:02:49 AM

Actually, we are already training players out of position for side skills that we want that are not included under the positional training we get. It's become something of a challenge for us to train in such a manner yet maintain our performance in matches to continue winning, it's a constant juggling act. So that move won't lead to more farm teams than there are now.

you do but this will become over 33% of the time ;)

I don't see whats wrong. The team the original poster is referring to is at the bottom of a French 5th division with a 0-12 record. How would replacing it with a bot change anything? The only way this situation could be deemed unfair is if the player was letting some people get a walk over against him and for other teams putting up a fight. That would be unfair. But he's not, he's lost every game this year. The team you're talking about is in an all-bot division too.

I'm all for competition and I hated it when I was in an all-bot league. It was no fun. But the team you're talking about is in a 5th division where a walk-over team is no different from a bot team, except you're guarenteed a win and guarenteed to make your fans happy.

The only downside is he'll get the number one pick in the draft but human teams will get promoted, I know what I'd prefer.

In the end - who's to say how people should play this game? As long as people are playing within the rules it's up to them to play the game in a way they enjoy. If this means logging on once a week and helping develop NT players then what's stopping them? Apart from the draft thing I really can't see how these teams do anything but benefit other human teams.

Maybe you have a good idea, but that doesn't mean you can decide what will be implanted and what wont.

I didn't say I was deciding what was happening and what wasn't.

What I did do was inform you of the stance of the BBs.

I actually got to speak with a member of the BB team last night, and that farm teams in lower divisions will be very difficult to maintain as the player salaries for the elite players in the game mature to the levels expected.

Most of the teams that reach a high enough level to be able to afford these players are unlikely to be farm teams, as:

A. You're not going to waste many seasons to rise to D.I or D.II only to dump your team for one player, and...

B. Having one uberplayer and a bunch of scrubs will be a sure way for you to get drummed out of the top divisions, where you'll no longer be able to afford the player.

Thus, there isn't going to be a rule implemented that specifically bans farm teams - the game design is expected to generally make it very difficult to farm, while still allowing those that wish to try the opportunity to do so.

A. You're not going to waste many seasons to rise to D.I or D.II only to dump your team for one player

That's pretty much irrelevant, IMO. Almost no-one plans to be a farm team. I expect the vast majority of farm teams are regular, successful users who get tired of the game, and choose to liquidate their team and farm instead of just timing out.

That's exactly the situation I'm in in Hattrick, for instance (except I declined to act as a farm team). I didn't intentionally spend real-life years accumulating value to farm, but it just happens that playing successfully then losing interest positioned me perfectly to do so.

I think the problem people have with farm teams has nothing to do with a managers choice to be a poor team. It is assumed in many cases that these farm teams arent run by an independant manager who just cares about the NT and doesnt mind losing. I think it is safe to say that at least in some cases these teams are run in addition to a managers real team that they compete with. There should not be a rule prohibiting poor management, as you say. There allready is a rule against one person having multiple accounts, and it seems the concern over farm teams has more to do with this rule than anything else.

if B was one point from the BB, i am a bit disappointed ;)

In the beginning they like to see the top players in the top teams, with high but payable salary - when i make a sggestion about salarys last season because i was afraid of a sitution like B it still sound like they expect that it will be possible because we don't know the limits(i didn't believe it)

Now it see like wasting the money of quiting team and aquire those, is the system to play a succesful role in NT also here - and they plan with that.