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the 8 place at list have a good draft peak i finished 5 and have an 8th place the 8th place can score a great first peak and beside the 8th place did finished last in the season so you do need to get "punished" although i do agreey that one more game if will be issued to the 5th place need to be the same to the 8th place as well

Well are you sure you would want the 6-th place when you know guys from the other side of the league table are stronger than you. I looked at your situation. You have been managing youre enthusiasm they have not (what if they had?). You would be sure to relegate if you would have ended up 6-th. 5-th place means you will be staing in the league (with higher income) for sure. 4-th 3-d place get one game (mostly) with 1/3 game income. That's actually nothing much. Let's say you make it to the 1-st league of you're country. Would you want that 5-th place then?

if you have bean looking at my situation you can see that the team in the 7th place dose manage there enthusiasm and not nesseserly batter then me in the only game we had so far thy beat me yes but it was CT v TE and home court for them and won tactically and i had 2 starters injured so yes i think i am willing to take the chance in the 6th place rather then the 5th place
and you know what my county have a weird situation the team in the 6th place in the first D did try to get there on purpose

i am looking at my situation and as it seams the way the teams on the other side on the conference i am 95% positive that as i know them i can beat both the 6th and the 7h place and even more as i know i am 5th place i soled few of my players so you cant be sure that thy are stronger then i am and you know what? 1/3 of the money that 4th place get is normaly (if you manage your team right) abut the money you need to pay your players and staff so yah it is an even week and i rather one like that then one that i need to sell 6 players and have no draft outcomes just so i can do a 35k lose and the 4th place have a chance to beat the 1th place to go one for another 1/3 money and even more if you want you can look at my league (i wasent here last season) last season and see that my house 4th place last season got in to the finales and had 3 games so you can get potentialy more then 1/3

I completely agree... I've finished 2 seasons in a row in 5th place... it's the worst thing that can happen to a team... no incomes for 3 weeks is a death sentence for some teams... better off finishing in 6th place and at least get some incomes and a better draft pick...

You missed the point. Would you go for the 6-th place if you knew they are better than you? To me it seems you failed to get to the 4-th and now started to rant here. Get better so you can make the playoffs. Guys who play below the line have the chance to relegate and can you actually say any of those 4 below the line in you're league are actually safe? Have you looked at youre countrys top division? Atleast in Estonia the guys who promoted are all facing relegation. Do you think they did not try to get that 5-th place. When you promote to the division above you would do anything to atleast get that 5-th spot.

i didn't fail to get to the 4th place as it wasn't my goal in the first place i was aiming to the 6 place from the beginning of the season the only thing i failed at was to get to the 6th place i am giving you have real situation that a team in my D.1 finished 6 in the full knowlege that the team in the 7th place have a good chance of beating them (this is the same team who beat them in the semmiy in the cup) so yes i think most teams will rather take the chance in the 6th place and if you look one post above you have a team in my first D who finished 5th in season 6-7 and tells you that yes thy rather have finished 6

you know what ill add few things this is your second season here right? in your first season you got promoted to D.III after a TB this season you are the leader of your league so you have a good chance of doing this all over again right? you want to know what was my situation before this season ? lets see i started in the middle of season 6 i got promoted to D.III at the end of the season and after it in season 7 i got promoted to D.II after 3 games and yes i hope to you the same thing and after it i hope you wont get demoted to D.III and finish 5th in season 9 and will see how you will talk after it

now to the subject again

pros/cons
pros

5th place - you 100% don't get relegated (if you finish 6/7 you don't automatically relegate either)
6th/7th place- batter draft pikes at list one (if not 2) weeks of extra training game and more money

cons
5th place- you finished your season no more official games if you had away games in your last 2 games and it happens and/or you start the season with away game you can have as much as 5!!! weeks with no income you have at list 1 week less training then the teams who got kicked out in the upper playoff but lets scratch that you have at list one week less training if not 2 then the teams who finished 6/7 middle cared draft pike

6th/7th pace- you have a chance to relegate and most likely dominant the lower division the next season have a financial season no go back stronger and batter the season after it

Last edited by LA-Nir at 5/17/2009 6:36:44 AM

Well atleast I hope my opponent does not hand me the victory in the last game like your's did:)
Can you actully say that you could make more money in divIII than in divII? Even if you lose all games in divII you should be making more money than in divIII winning all games.
So basically we could counter this problem with removing the income from relegation games. In this case everyone would actually go for the playoffs. I promotod and knew I could play at divIII level (atleast get into playoffs). With some additions to my lineup I became a contender and plan to promote to divII and go for atleast 5-th place. When you have no official games you can manage 48 minutes to youre trainees without worrying about the outcome.

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/17/2009 6:46:35 AM

as far as my last season promotion the opponent teat dident want to promote that is true but as it was and still is my team dident need the "help" from the other team to win and still this is not relevant to the discussion right now right?

and as far as the 5th VS 6/7 are you even reading the all thing that i say? this is not just money it is more training time i train 2 position guards as a 2 positions trainer i have 5-6 guards who train contently as far as the next 3-4 weeks i have 2 games per week so you tell me how can i get 48 minutes to 5-6 trainees in 2 games? ill be happy to know at looking at your team i have no idea what position you re training or how many trainees you have so i dont know how you manage your weekly minutes and even if you train one position you will normally have 3 players if you can get 3 players in one position 48 minutes in 2 games please do share

the last thing geting rid of the incomes to 6/7 places is not resolving the problem is creating a new one a 5th place team can have 3-5 weeks of only expenses witch can lead to backdrops nice way to motivate teams

Why would someone not want to promote? You gain extra cash for promotion, make more money with arena income and if you relegate you can promote again and get that extra cash for promotion. So not to promote when you have chance is by far the worst choise ever to make.
You seem to be whining about money mostly in this thread.
So you had no situations in this game where you had to adapt, change training regimes during ASW or when some of the trainees got injured? If there is a rule change, do you adapt? In 5-th place you still have 2 games so you can train 4 players on two spot training (if you want to concentrate on the better ones) or if you have equal trainees (usually you don't have 6 equal trainees) you might consider going for 3 spot training. You can hardly get 6 players trained in 2 spots anyway (that is if you want to actually win games).

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/17/2009 7:26:43 AM

i have to not agree with you as some teams think thy are not good for the higher division and rather have one more season in a lower league and get there more ready

and as to your answer i i will stop posting answers as you do not take what i tell you in any mean of try to understand and telling me i am whining all the time

and as far as ASW the situation is the same for all teams so i have no problem there but the situation here is that a team that got batter position in the season get worse rewards for it at the end (training time draft pike and less money but not only)

and yes you may not be aible to fully train 6 players in a 3 games weeks? i think i bean ding a good job doing so in the last 3 weeks with 6 players and the one i think of the lees got only +-40 minutes per week so yah i think i did a good job there but it dosent matter that in order to survive the next few weeks i need to sell 2 of my trainees

now if unless you have something that actually talks to the subject other them try to tell me i am whining over money and dont even try to read the all thing this will be my last post to you