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Of course, you can, but the conclusion you will take may be wrong if you don´t do a deeper analysis. And this analysis is not possible without knowing what is really happening in the spanish leagues. This will not come out from the raw numbers.

We have a record of basically every decision a manager makes and how they are playing the game. If we want to analyze something, we have the tools to do it statistically in a far more accurate way than you can anecdotally. And this is really the root of much of our disagreement - you are complaining from anecdotal evidence, while when we investigate, we look at all teams. And yes, we look at teams restricted only to certain groups (including countries, teams of a certain age, etc.) when making our adjustments.

It depends on what kinds of info you are searching/looking at in that moment.
And,as my statistics's professor always said:"we can dimostrate that exists a statistical correlation between the use of oranges in the diet and the numbers of divorces in a year in Usa,but it doesn't mean that exists a logical correlation between these two events."
Many user point out the same situations for most of the time,and you seemed understand that(looking at merchandising and Tv contract changes in the past).But we can assure you that these changes are not enough to rebalance the inequalities in BB global,especially if,continuing to add new countries,you will continue to count it in the global statistics,because the situation of these and other small countries represent outliers in the balance of global expenses/incomes

um advertising players is not allowed and why you would do it in this thread, thats full of gm's and bb's is beyond me .

We are probably talking about different things. Anyway, since I´m probably 100% wrong, you know the truth, and the debate is over from the BB side, what's the sense of continuing this thread?
I'm sorry if you understood that my intention was something different of trying to help. So let's stop wasting mutually our time. Best Regards.

Well I think that everyone can make a short calculation after the first 2 weeks so you can decide if keep your roster or sell someone, I'm 100 times more worried about the drop of market prices, who sold before the end of last season will have huge benefit.

prices were lower even then, let's say start of the las season

I'm gonna make one point - speaking of how relegating team shouldn't be stronger than his new opposition and how promoting team should be able to stay on the higher league - what about changing the promotion bonus formula? Well, there is no formula right. But (speaking about div 1 for example) promoted team gets one milion. i don't think that making this amount constant is a good idea. Sometimes, like lately that amoun was nearly nothing because of market prices, amount of money in the game through new tv rights and merchandise formulas etc., other seasons it may no be that bad but it is still very mild amount money to actually help. I guess it is better than overdo it but what about connect that amount to something and make it variable. Avergae net income of the league would be a bad idea but what about something you are already using for income from tv rights? Something like comparing tv revenue from previous season to virtual tv revenue what a hypothetic league of (typically 4) newly promoted teams would net. Or something like that and use it a coeficient for formula. Maybe include some TPE as well. Just a thought.


(anyone feel free to start a thread for it on suggestion board if you want)

Just for the fun and because of all the drama, those are skill of LeBron and Dwight Howard, quoting BBs from Buzzerbeater NBA predictions board (Forrest posted them):

Jump Shot: prominent Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: strong Handling: prominent
Driving: legendary Passing: prodigious
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: proficient
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: prominent

Experience: legendary


lebron is a 5th year starter in the league with playoff experience, so I think a lot of experience is appropriate...

anyway.. here's a preview of dwight

Jump Shot: proficient Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: average Handling: pitiful
Driving: respectable Passing: inept
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: tremendous
Rebounding: wondrous Shot Blocking: prodigious
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: awful

so put that into perspective... (using how8.com Buzzerbeater Player Salary Calcualtor)

According to old formula, Dwight (I choose exp of lvl 15 but that shouldn't matter much) would have salary of 110k. Add 5-10% and you would get waht his current salary would look like. LeBron would cost you 49k + 5-10%.

When Lebron is not enough, things get expensive...

Surprisngly LebRon is a PG and Dwight is a PF. I wonder how BBs consider them now:)

I think your suggestion has good theoretical basis.. but emprically we are finding that newly promoted teams are competing quite well in their new leagues. about 1900 teams promoted two seasons ago, only to fall back this season, out of 45000. So that says on average newly promoted teams are doing far better than expected.

edit.. sorry that 45000 number is wrong.. its just under 12000. The point is still valid, but the number was wrong

Last edited by BB-Forrest at 3/27/2010 7:04:40 PM

But that's in current environment when they actually preparefor the next elvel including having a roster simillar to next level or at least on par with mentioned relegated team. If there would be little to no room to maintain such a roster, they won't dothat well on next level. They may advance at the expense of ex-higher divsion team more often (they do often ven now) but their chance to stay above would be slimmer. That worries me. Better management could still overomce that to some extent. Last but not least it depends on how balanced confrences of particular DIv 1 are (well maybe promotion bonus can be assigned separately depending where the new team would land too).

i am really confused with your statement...

you are not being clear about what kind of teams you are talking about.

lets say we are looking at DII. There are teams moving up from DIII, there are also teams falling into DIV, and falling into DII from DI.

What I said, is that if you look at teams that promoted into DII last season, and then asked how many of them fall back into DIII this season, that number is ~1900/12000 teams fall to that feat. I don't see how their chance to say above is slim.

You seem maybe to be implying something is going to change to make that no longer true in the future.. but i'm not sure what that is.

or maybe you are implying something else that i can't follow.

can you try to rephrase and be clearer.

Past (till Season 12) - premise 1: teams relegating from higher league lets say Div 1 can somewhat keep their roster; if they can do other teams in DIV 2 can have comaprable roster i.e. they can prepare to the next step

Present: premise 2: if keeping your players after relegating would be impossibile/difficult/cost you a lot i.e. situation you want to have where leading teams in DIV 2 can't really have roster to compete with average DIV 1 team -> then those numbers of teams staying in DIV 1 after their promotion could be tweaked and will be almost certainly lower, simply because in given conditions they won't be able to build their team for DIV 1 in advance. It may go other way, but watch those staying vs falling back numbers closely, with all the changes making impact now it is not safe to assume that the ratio will be surely roughly the same next season. We'll see.

Got it now?:)