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From: Elmacca

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Date: 12/8/2014 5:01:51 PM
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He also trained Paul Bull alongside Anderson, which is pretty good going.

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Date: 12/8/2014 5:03:11 PM
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I guess it takes a particular breed of nutcase

There are people who don't mind spending two seasons without winning a single game. I hated two consecutive losing seasons. Hell, I hate the fact I lost a cup game this year.

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Date: 12/8/2014 5:08:16 PM
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My trainee will have better inside skills than that guy and worse (but still viable) outside skills.

If you start with good stats and a lvl 4 trainer you can create a guy like that by starting 1v1 (guards) for a bit over a season>OD (at this point he will be ok as a backup if you get one or 2 ID pops)>PA+JR>push SB>ID>RB

If he started: 7.5/6.5/6.5 6.5/6.5/6.5 2.0/6.5/6.5/6.5 when he's still 19yo you'll finish OD and he will be:
13.3/6.5/11.3 13/14/6.5 6.5/7.3/6.5/6.5

At the end of 21 he will be:
13.3/6.5/11.3 13/14/6.5 6.5/12/9/16
or:
14/10/11.3 14/14.3/12 6.5/7.5/6.5/7

Depending if you finish PA/JR or you go on SB first. He'll hit that build at 27yo although the last season would only be to take RB from 16 to 17.

So yeah, you're right, you have to do 3 out of position seasons pretty much (or 2 at the beginning and 2 at the end). But he should be an ok backup in D2 after 2-3 seasons.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/8/2014 5:16:13 PM

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Date: 12/8/2014 6:11:09 PM
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good luck finding a 66 skill player at 18 with MVP+ potential for less than 2 million

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Date: 12/9/2014 4:45:01 AM
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good luck finding a 66 skill player at 18 with MVP+ potential for less than 2 million
Good luck arguing that 6x8+7+2=66 instead of 57.

Of course, it's not like 6.5x8+7.5+2.0 adds to 66, or anywhere close to that, either, you know. ;)

At any rate, I can totally see how some savvy italian DIV-DV manager or a few English managers would pay a couple of millions for a 18yo 57 TSP player!

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264384.156 in reply to 264384.145
Date: 12/9/2014 5:38:03 AM
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Also, how many really active players do we have? And does germany have? How many potentially good players do they draft every season and do we draft?
Well, I did try to get a Superstar potential who can become close to what I posted earlier (10/9/11 14/14/12 6/17/17/17): I lost the bidding to an italian manager who went to around 700k (note that this player was 6'10'' or 6'11'' and had basically 1 starting IS).

Also to answer your question: Germany currently has about 3 times as many users as England, so I would expect everything to be three times larger (number of HoF/MVP etc etc). At the same time I would like you and everyone else that they have this guy playing in their NT: (26270986) and that he actually played when Germany used a zone defence (30613).

Haek is one of Nachmahr's boys and I know exactly what his skills are from my bb-mail exchanges with him. I can tell you that this kid is in many ways more of a monster than the guy I linked earlier, he is certainly even more extreme. You don't need MVP potential to create something like that, but yes the training would take ages and it's evenly split between PG and C which is a pain. However let me tell you this: despite his salary, that guy can probably defend any position in D1.

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Date: 12/9/2014 8:06:45 AM
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Actually in your calculations you changed the IS from 2 to 6.5 without ever training it. So I presumed you had mistakenly put 2 instead of 6.5 which you base the rest of your training program on.

Adding everything as 6.5 rather than 6 and 7.5 rather than 7 is indeed factoring in a 66 tsp. Not as you say 57 which if you are going to base your training predictions on, you are going to have to assume. Things are not as straightforward as you presume.

I have never seen a player you speak of in England. So anyone worth their training salt would be paying extremely big bucks for a potential 9+ player with that many tsp.

Alternatively you may wish to rewrite your training post to correct the IS error you made. In short, you made the mistake not me, a little less arrogance would have helped you see that... But you are not in the EBBL so you cant be that...

Edit: Likewise given that I am probably the only person who bothered to both read your post in full and check the training predictions a little more checking of your work would have helped. You can see me as an adversary if you like but I could be more helpful to you as a friend.

Last edited by LA-Vecx at 12/9/2014 8:22:08 AM

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264384.158 in reply to 264384.157
Date: 12/9/2014 10:00:07 AM
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Gully and Zeus, anything practical we can be focusing on to help with NT and U21's over the remaining weeks of the season to prep for next season?

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Date: 12/9/2014 10:26:45 AM
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Actually in your calculations you changed the IS from 2 to 6.5 without ever training it. So I presumed you had mistakenly put 2 instead of 6.5 which you base the rest of your training program on.
Now, I don't have the original calcs with me but it looks like I used the wrong initial level of IS. There is just a problem with people who talk a lot without the actual knowledge of things. The problem is that Inside Shot is the most irrelevant starting skill in the entire build. In fact IS is completely irrelevant since it will pop 3 times in 4 weeks at 23. The lower it is the more manageable the salary will be and if it is particularly low (1 or 2) you can train a Superstar by never touching it and punting it instead.

So if you understand that, you'd never want IS to be higher than 5 unless you have an HoF.

In any case, to show you how irrelevant IS is and that your point is very weak, I redid the entire thing, so here you go: 18yo, 6'10, HoF potential (like the guy linked), level 4 trainer, starting with 7.5/6.5/6.5 6.5/6.5/6.5 2.0/6.5/6.5/6.5.
10x 1v1 guards -> 9x 1v1 forwards -> 9x OD -> 7x PA -> 7xJR (note 42 weeks=3 seasons, at this point he's still 20yo)
Now he's 13.2/10.0/11.0 14.3/14.6/12.1 4.9/7.1/6.5/6.5

ISx3 -> SBx37 -> IDx18 -> RBx43 (that's 101 weeks, he will have just turned 28 a few weeks before)
Now he's 13.4/10.0/11.0 14.3/14.6/12.1 9.4/17.2/17.1/17.1
You need to round ST and FT (assuming you'd rather not get a higher level/fitness trainer and train it occasionally)

On this type of builds, where you have nowhere near the knowledge as other managers who are actually working on them and discussing among themselves about them (like some of the Germans and myself), a little more humility and less know-it-all attitude, which is always in full glorious display with you, would work wonders.

I put in italic the huge changes you need to make compared to starting at 6.5 (which finishes probably half a season earlier). You're welcome.

Adding everything as 6.5 rather than 6 and 7.5 rather than 7 is indeed factoring in a 66 tsp. Not as you say 57 which if you are going to base your training predictions on, you are going to have to assume. Things are not as straightforward as you presume.
Never found someone before who claimed that a 61 TSP (the starting skills you assumed) trainee could actually have 66 TSP including sublevels. Let's just accept you're one of a kind and agree that the rest of us, average non EBBL chaps, should follow common sense and simple math instead, like everyone else in the world, ok? :)

I have never seen a player you speak of in England. So anyone worth their training salt would be paying extremely big bucks for a potential 9+ player with that many tsp.
You have never seen it because you never looked. How many people are interested in Superstar big men with 1 starting IS? Yeah, exactly. I applaud you and all those managers who look for HoF to splash their 2+ million. I'm poor and building my arena, so I can't be as generous!

But you are not in the EBBL so you cant be that...
I haven't been around 20-21 seasons without winning anything either. In 15-16 seasons we will see if that holds true for me too or if I will end up with 0 trophies as well. It's quite the irony for someone to have been in the game for so long and with so little to show for it, to be patronizing others and taking stabs at other people.

Normally you'd expect that if you stick around long enough your moment will come. If anything all the others who started with you will quit and you'll win by having an edge on everyone else! ;)

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/9/2014 10:48:13 AM

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264384.160 in reply to 264384.159
Date: 12/9/2014 10:46:51 AM
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I think you just shot to the title of the most patronising player in England, quite a feat I assure you.

You have never seen it because you never looked.


No actually that isn't true. You assume I don't know what I am talking about just like you assume that for pretty much everyone you speak to on the forums. Actually I could give you from our offsite records every single drafted player in the English community for the last 3 years with stats potential 4 and up. I could give you that because - I put it together!

I'm poor and building my arena, so I can't be as generous!


Lose the chip on your shoulder about this. I've read what you post on the other forums and you wave this at everyone who has a bigger arena than you as if they are supposed to feel sorry for you. It's not like we all had the same start is it...

I haven't been around 20-21 seasons without winning anything either. In 15-16 seasons we will see if that holds true for me too or if I will end up winless as well. ;)


Is that supposed to be a dig? If so it is laughable, I dont really care if I win or not, keeping my players fit for the NT takes precedence over winning for me. What interests me is that you actually spent time looking up my team, how long I am active, how my teams have done in order to get ammunition to put me down on the forum to win a point? Stalk much?

Oh and I skipped the babble about training after you suggested that IS can pop 3 times in 4 weeks at 23... lol

Forgive me, but you have started to throw baseless accusations around and I have stood up for myself which I rarely do. Now I am going to do what I promised a few people I would do. Leave this thread well alone because you are turning it into a circus.

Last edited by LA-Vecx at 12/9/2014 10:47:40 AM

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