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275132.150 in reply to 275132.149
Date: 1/4/2016 7:54:43 AM
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i can understand both sides here.

I understand Dartrebs point of view as a manager of his own team, yet i can't deny some of the logic that Joe mentioned. So here is what i see.

To me, Dartreb still has a chance to win the league. he's a game behind Mizu, and considering that the red conference is pretty deep, a game often means nothing. i haven't analyzed the schedules extensively, but to me, he still had a shot. However, looking at his team, he has an aging team and would require to rebuild at some point. Claeys 33y old, Vaes 32y old, they are close to start there decline. if Dartreb doesn't have a deep financial reserve, then this was the time to hit the rebuild button. he's safe from relegation, so he has a 1.5 seasons to tank up cash. So i understand his decision, and considereing the timing, he could have had some more merchandise and had he waited a week or 2 more, he would probably have earned more because teams then gear up for the PO's.

From a NT point of view, you need to try and win the maximum of the games, this to give the owners of the players a max amount of revenue. they keep the players in good shape, you need to do your best to repay them for it. However, i'll look at the timing again. Belgium is facing Suomi, a team that isn't likely to be beaten. should they have bad GS, they could CT to make it to the next round (to be sure of making it to the next round). Belgium is already qualified, so no worries there.

However, in the next round, we face the best teams, with a chance of going to the world championships. Does the Belgian Nt stand a chance? it's a small one, but a chance none the less. So again, i look at the timing. Should Dartreb have kept his players longer, then he would have had to sell them in the middle of the competitive games, there GS costing us 2 or 3 important games and without a doubt that would nearly eliminate us from going to the world championship. However, by selling them now, he'll have a poor GS for Suomi, a poor GS for the first next game (pray that we face slovenko in the first game, cause they play home so that would have been a lost cause anyhow) and maybe for the second game too. However, if he had to sell them, then this was probably the best timing without hurting the NT to much (it would have hurt regardless of how you looked at it!)

So fom where i'm standing, Dartreb made the best decision for the NT. As for his own team, i think i would have held them on for a bitt longer, to get the merchandise but also to get a better feeling for the PO's. Dartreb has all the hard opponents in home games (except the cowboys) so to me, he could have ended first. The game with Mizu would have been the point where he'd have to make a decision if he was all in for the championship or not. considering he had a good chance and that the championship gives you a huge revenue boost, i think that for that and that decision alone, his timing from a teamowner view was a poor one.

but in terms of the NT, if he had to sell, then that was the timing that it would hurt the NT the least (ofcourse, i'm considering that those who bought Claeys & Vaes will maintain there GS.... should they fail to do so, then Belgium will have 5 more games and just crash out into the consolation tournament.

So for Dartrebs:
in terms of managing your own team, i would not have sold them yet and there, i would argue you made a mistake ( and i have to agree with Joe for a couple of his arguements). However, from a NT perspective, you took the least bad decision (there is no good decision here except to hold on to them till the new season, but then there value will drop even more).

please note:

i'm not taking his IRL into account. i know first had what it can do to your team... Kaiser & JJ didn't complete there training and spent there best seasons with poor GS because IRL didn't allow me to manage it well... (they were NT worthy players but could have been starters...)

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275132.151 in reply to 275132.150
Date: 1/4/2016 10:12:23 AM
Kelmis Spartans
BBBL
Overall Posts Rated:
154154
Second Team:
Eupen Scythe
I like your post, however I will make it much more simple. From my point of view, I must take 2 things into account :

1) Having lost both work AND home in october (no worries, found new ones) I'll have much trouble this month : maybe I'll be stuck 1 week without internet connection, or worse ... Selling now allowed me to put lineups in advance without having to worry about results. Just tanking up and giving my trainees training is what matters most, and this is something that can be done without logging in every day.

2) I should have sold sooner, since an old principle of mine is to never keep players above 32 years. But playing B3 was appealing, and I really had a veeery nice team, able to defeat the best one in Belgium. Unfortunately I had some trouble with injuries, and also took a couple of strategically bad decisions and I came up empty handed. From the very beginning of this season I had already decided to sell the oldest players as soon as that point was reached.

I must confess that selling Vaes at once wasn't the best decision in my BB career, but I have already discussed the matter with Joe.

E.g. Claeys had lost 2 levels of inside defense the week before the Amenra cup game, that fact alone would have changed the final outcome, so seriously, never ever I'll keep players above 32 :)

This and that makes my decision valid, I would have never been able to make a serious run for the chmapionship anyway.

Yet again, I am sorry for having Vaes in such a disastrous GS.

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275132.152 in reply to 275132.151
Date: 1/4/2016 10:41:30 AM
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to be fair, when i look at what is going on, i must say things are going in Joe's favor again.

Normally when training, you need to fight hard to stay in the division. However, after this and next season, he'll once again be ready to challenge for the top spot in Belgium. Mizu and especially Ventola need to retool. Spartans are tanking. The interesting option here will be Obira. But other than Obira and Mizu, i don't expect Joe to have a whole lot of opposition and we all know that once Joe gets a title, he usually goes on a streak.

So all in all, i think Joe welcomes Dartreb decision (with maybe the exclusion of the GS of Vaes) But with a bitt of luck his GS will go up fast enough.

@ Dartreb: did your trainer have career extension option? i have noticed that with that option, players tend not to lose skills till the end of the age 34 season. considering the age of your team, it could have been an option for your team. (i have kept several players till 33/34 and seen little decline with that option)

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275132.153 in reply to 275132.152
Date: 1/4/2016 10:45:18 AM
Kelmis Spartans
BBBL
Overall Posts Rated:
154154
Second Team:
Eupen Scythe
No, he didn't. If had known about that, I would have picked up one ... thanks for the info.

From: Eagle

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275132.155 in reply to 275132.149
Date: 1/5/2016 10:29:43 PM
RSC Eagles
II.1
Overall Posts Rated:
107107
There's no point in focusing on mistakes and let regrets cloud the judgement. I have so many wins that I can't get relegated this season, I will put that at good use to save loads of cash and buy reinforcement later on.


Judging from your last sales, you already have a nice load of cash, i'm guessing

Anyway, i was glad to see that selling players ranging from 32 to 34 yr old can still bring in a nice load of cash.
This makes me at ease knowing i can keep my players until 32 at least, so i won't have to buy any expensive players soon. Which is all the better, because if there's one thing i can't say, it's that i'm having lots of cash

But the current training of my 2 prospects gives me a lot satisfaction, i didn't know training young players could be so much fun, as they're steadily improving with each week that passes by


Last edited by Eagle at 1/5/2016 10:30:12 PM

From: Dartreb

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275132.156 in reply to 275132.155
Date: 1/6/2016 3:45:19 AM
Kelmis Spartans
BBBL
Overall Posts Rated:
154154
Second Team:
Eupen Scythe
I was amazed to see how well I sold my older players ... that was just before being amazed to see how much I had to spend on mediocre quality replacements.

The Center I was targetting for approx. 2.8 M went for over 4, and the one I had for 2 M is only worth 1 M.

Yes, selling is good indeed, but buying is very bad, and therefore it is extremely interesting to buy players in order to train them. I bought Vaes when he was 23 years old for 1.2 M, sold him at 32 for 3.3 ; in the meantime of course I had to train him, but I also had 3 seasons with a NT player I didn't have to train, performing very well and whose wages were minimal thanks to merchandising.

In this game I like nothing better than friday when I can check if my little birds did progress xD

From: BigT
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275132.157 in reply to 275132.156
Date: 1/7/2016 10:42:36 AM
TheRainmakers
BBBL
Overall Posts Rated:
8787
I am making a wild guess now,

As some of you may know at the start of the next season buzzerbeater will introduce an extra tax on teams with a lot of cash.
The main problem is none knows how much the GM'S consider a lot of cash (5 mio? , 10 mio? or even more or less)

Well managers with a lot of cash will anticipate this naturally and will invest their money, this will lead to an explosion on the market, if you think players cost a lot don't wait to buy new ones at the end of the season because prices may double or even more.

So what do you guys think about this?

Personally I think buzzerbeater is unfair at the moment, teams that signed up earlier than other will always have an advantage due to their money reserves. BB may have detected this but I don't think this tax will be a solution.

Maybe a solution would be like in other games restarting the whole game at 0?
The whole game get's reset, I know Utopia is really new but this hasn't really helped the game.
I believe that like this the user numbers will rise again significantly (maybe even more with some commercials)


From: Dartreb

To: BigT
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275132.159 in reply to 275132.157
Date: 1/7/2016 2:52:17 PM
Kelmis Spartans
BBBL
Overall Posts Rated:
154154
Second Team:
Eupen Scythe
Resetting the whole game is a good thing to lose their oldest supporters, and that will be a huge amount of people. I wouldn't start from scratch again right now.

Putting a tax on older teams is also irrelevant. You have very old teams that remain stuck in the lower leagues, as well as newer ones who can promote really quick.

Sure, being the best manager in the world won't lead you to a BBBL title but this is part of the challenge : balance training and results, getting the best out of limited cash reserves. I really enjoyed making my D.3 into a serious BBBL side, but I wouldn't do it again.

I feel slightly concerned about the tax on cash reserves (not that I have much) because that won't stop current inflation. Good players are expensive because too little teams are training players, forcing teams to empty their cash reserves will even make the price of player rise again due to many teams willing to buy good players for their extra money. If they don't find any, they'll keep their cash reserves up and pay the tax until they find a suitable one, I don't really understand how that should lower the players' price.

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275132.160 in reply to 275132.159
Date: 1/7/2016 3:15:38 PM
TheRainmakers
BBBL
Overall Posts Rated:
8787
First, Well we will see how big it will influence the market but I still guess the prices will jump


Second, I can't say much as WOW, you are rebuilding and kicking out the current best team in Belgium in the tournament. you went all-in and succeeded. Congratulations
Statistically I would like to say AmenRa has 200k salary more than Vottem, I know it's not about salary but such a big differential should mean that AmenRa is way stronger than Vottem, I think Joe never fails to surprise us :)


Final: Paros - Vottem, I will go with Vottem

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