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Again you didnt understand. I didnt label anyone as clown. What i was saying is that calling anyone clown isnt the way to build a respectfull discussion.

The most inept staff member that has ever existed, in his first action, decides to call cheaters to the best managers in the history of the game.

What will be next?

I only gave real example that such kind of investment gives real chances on good profit in the future for buyers (newbies etc. whoever he is). In place where I see chances, you see cheating...because newbies don't train (maybe BB managment should do more to encourage to train? Make it easier and more profitable?) Of course, maybe my players aren't the cheapest on the market currently, but if we talk about difference between 200k to 300k we are closer to real value than when you talk about numbers 30k to 300k. 200k to 300k is that crime you are talking about?

Again, this is irrelevant even though it's nice that you like to compare change in price for steel in 2 years to change in price for BB player in 20 days. Your 50 TSP scrubs don't change into gold when everyone has already bought their trainees and you're selling these with 10x higher price for newbies, even though those players might be valuable in 7-8 seasons if they are trained. And we're not talking about 200k to 300k being "crime" but the 5-50k to 300k-400k what you and some other managers are mostly doing (or trying to do) right now.

By the way: in fact everybody do similar transactions all the time? Even Alonso. Let's check e.g. history of these two players: (41683073), (46424658). 550k more 10 days later, 1M more a month later on one player is ok? But 1M more on 10 players is crime.

I got to love the "what about others" -argument but try to even use good examples. Both of these guys were quality players that were bought for high price and sold for high price. Also based on the actual price that they were sold, both players had multiple bidders when Alonso bought and sold these players. Not one newbie.

Try to notice and understand that when I buy/sell a lot of players, my taxes are much bigger...so it has influence also on transfer of my regular players, which means also minus and additional cost of this investment. Few percentage more on 3-4M transactions is a lot. You don't see and count this. You see only purchase and selling costs and you count revenue basing only on these. It's not properly.

This is also irrelevant for this topic, but love the effort to get some sympathy. The buyer doesn't know and shouldn't care about your taxes when team buys a player and it certainly doesn't have any effect on the market value. If the taxes are an issue for you, stop buying and selling scrubs so you don't have to pay so high taxes from your other transactions.

Didn't read the whole thread but probably the main problem is that the market in unbalanced.
During the years I sold/bought players even at 10 millions, now the market is on a "recession" and the new players can easily buy every player on the TL. In addiction the value of 1m today is not the same that we had when in the TL the values of players were 5 or 10 times more.

Again and above all now with the exahustion rules coming, try to premiate managers training players.

Matti Äyräs

Oh Matti, I remember him quite well actually.

Matti was my 18 year old draftee with okay starting skills (53 TSP) but unfortunately I wasn't able to keep him because he didn't suit to my training program. I put him to the market same day that I got him from the draft and was lucky that someone was willing to buy him. I always try to keep my draftees starting bids low so someone can buy them for training, but I think it was quite okay market price, because he was 18 year old with MVP potential and both JS and JR were 7. It was unlucky for the buyer that Matti was foul prone and was then sold to another team without receiving much training.

Do you want me give a background story from my other draftees or prospects too or should we get back to the topic?

no thx I not need another trash story from next one hypocrite...

Okay, well I think that we don't have anything to discuss if you are not even talking about actual day-trading cases and all your arguments are insults. But keep up the good work!