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151707.152 in reply to 151707.151
Date: 9/3/2010 12:12:37 AM
Nitra Corgons
Extraliga
Overall Posts Rated:
10931093
Second Team:
Nitra Urpiners
Btw are you gonna clean the table this season (Already won BBB and Cup, only league missing )?

and MVP trophy.. not sure though this time.

1 BBB, 23 Leagues, 11 Tournaments, 3 Europe Titles (SVK), 2 World Bronzes (SVK), 2 Europe Bronzes (SVK,FRA), 48 Seasons NT coaching
From: Bballin
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151707.153 in reply to 151707.152
Date: 9/12/2010 12:51:48 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
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I just sort of realized this, but shouldn't Nitra Corgons be number1? I mean he won the tournament that is the best teams and won so shouldn't he be number 1? I mean it makes more sense to me.

From: Ref

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151707.154 in reply to 151707.153
Date: 9/12/2010 1:53:18 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
1717
The ranking system is very flawed..i think dragones was never ranked 1 even though he won bbb last season,correct me if i'm wrong..

From: LA-zajino

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151707.155 in reply to 151707.154
Date: 9/12/2010 4:09:11 AM
Nitra Corgons
Extraliga
Overall Posts Rated:
10931093
Second Team:
Nitra Urpiners
i accept that the ranking works pretty similar to NT ranking, nobody knows how many games in the past are taking into a count though.. there are few teams ranked high even without good results in past few seasons. I see there must be some country (or league) coeficient which has pretty big effect (as well as home tournament or league).. canadian teams are higher maybe becose of Torooo´s run in the past etc.. It should be revieled a bit as well as the NT rankings system i guess becose this ranking system affects HCA in the games so has real impact on the games.. The lower your team is ranked the better for you in B3..

1 BBB, 23 Leagues, 11 Tournaments, 3 Europe Titles (SVK), 2 World Bronzes (SVK), 2 Europe Bronzes (SVK,FRA), 48 Seasons NT coaching
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151707.156 in reply to 151707.155
Date: 9/12/2010 9:03:47 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
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i accept that the ranking works pretty similar to NT ranking, nobody knows how many games in the past are taking into a count


for NT this question is easy, you have exactly 2 seasons included in the ran king and the more important the games the more points you earn per win. igh

The ranking difference betwen the teams also affects, how the points are given. So when you win against a much stronger opponent(in ranking) you get all the points, but the much stronger opponent need to beat you with a high margin to get all the points.

And to be honest Laim as leader isn't such a bad choiche, he have a very strong BBB performance over the last seasons and is leader of the strongest league.

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151707.157 in reply to 151707.156
Date: 9/12/2010 1:39:07 PM
Nitra Corgons
Extraliga
Overall Posts Rated:
10931093
Second Team:
Nitra Urpiners
i accept that the ranking works pretty similar to NT ranking, nobody knows how many games in the past are taking into a count


for NT this question is easy, you have exactly 2 seasons included in the ran king and the more important the games the more points you earn per win. igh

The ranking difference betwen the teams also affects, how the points are given. So when you win against a much stronger opponent(in ranking) you get all the points, but the much stronger opponent need to beat you with a high margin to get all the points.

And to be honest Laim as leader isn't such a bad choiche, he have a very strong BBB performance over the last seasons and is leader of the strongest league.

well if it works like in NT rankings than quality of opponent dont play a role in some point.. i have tried to find out how NT rankings works 5 seasons ago and they revieled the scheme right after that. i can say that quality of opponent is not important if you win by 40+ (or 50+) i dont remember now.. so it is always better to pick lower seeded team and beat him by 50 than higher seeded team and beat him by 10 or 20 (if you find that one)..
as i have said i like i am 8th and definately didnt mean that Laim is that team who shouldnt be ranked high..

Last edited by LA-zajino at 9/12/2010 1:41:06 PM

1 BBB, 23 Leagues, 11 Tournaments, 3 Europe Titles (SVK), 2 World Bronzes (SVK), 2 Europe Bronzes (SVK,FRA), 48 Seasons NT coaching
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151707.158 in reply to 151707.157
Date: 9/12/2010 1:54:01 PM
Overall Posts Rated:
959959
rwystyrk(hope i write him right) make a study about it, and there the quality played a role, if you beat him by 50 you always get the full point but when you make a win with +1 you get 75% of the possible points when the opponent was much weaker and close to 100% against an much stronger one.

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151707.160 in reply to 151707.158
Date: 9/12/2010 4:26:14 PM
Nitra Corgons
Extraliga
Overall Posts Rated:
10931093
Second Team:
Nitra Urpiners
when you make a win with +1 you get 75% of the possible points when the opponent was much weaker and close to 100% against an much stronger one.

if you win by 1 you will never make close to 100%.. even that 75% i am not sure, but is more than real life year ago i have studied this. i would say if you beat better team you will get close to 75% not 100%..

1 BBB, 23 Leagues, 11 Tournaments, 3 Europe Titles (SVK), 2 World Bronzes (SVK), 2 Europe Bronzes (SVK,FRA), 48 Seasons NT coaching
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151707.161 in reply to 151707.160
Date: 9/12/2010 4:45:18 PM
Overall Posts Rated:
959959
with rwystyrk data is was alway betwen 75 and 100 percent, he don't have that much 1 points upset in his study especially none of the quality of a win of malta against spain so it is just speculation :) But if you are weaker ranked you need much smaller different in points to get the whole points.

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151707.162 in reply to 151707.161
Date: 9/13/2010 4:01:15 PM
BC Hostivař
První liga
Overall Posts Rated:
13171317
Second Team:
Jirkov
I think team ranking works on different way. Especially I think that more than 2 seasons are involved and there are more factors not only results. As you can see top teams with wider roster are used to be better ranked than top teams with strong starting 5 and only few backups even if they make similar results in league/cup/BB3 or even better.
About NT Ranking I don't care anymore because I think almost only purpose is draw of continental championships (I'm not sure about Consolation Tournament draw). But as I remember you are right about my old data.

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