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Date: 2/19/2016 11:09:28 AM
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Date: 2/19/2016 11:14:26 AM
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I completely agree with DRV, the issue is there is no way to train it individually and HND eats up CAP.

You had a guard with high SB on the team this season? Or just the high JS/JR component?

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Date: 2/19/2016 11:25:42 AM
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shooter with OD and no HA/DR/PA. no sb

From: oriolekid

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Date: 2/19/2016 12:41:02 PM
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How'd he do? That's my least favorite build on a U21 guard. Driving is everything, and passing makes his driving more effective, assuming BB follows real life basketball(not always a given).

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I don't like that much either. Driving improves a player's ability to provide push in a situation where he is stuck, PA makes it easier for the flow not to get interrupted.

I don't mind the high IS/DR builds, but i tend to be a little weary of the interest of all positions reaching the same height (somewhere close to 16-17 DR and 16-17 IS), as i've seen other teams more successful with more unique players.

What consistently seems to work well even in a Look inside or Low Post offense is having that ball movement guy hold down the PG spot. This would be inconsistent with A-dub's build in some ways, because it would require less focus on DR (still around 13-14) in order to get more maximization out of OD and PA. Ideally that build gets some free SB to (speaking to the 6-7 starting point), but i think that the focus beyond that is a bit wasted in terms of development time unless you are building a SF (in which ID and SB become more interesting).

Last edited by FurY at 2/19/2016 2:17:33 PM

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Date: 2/19/2016 3:26:02 PM
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I doubt he did well, especially since we play inside focus a majority of the time.

My point, which hasn't been considered [one of the issues I've had with offsiter often] is that the sim is changing. Shouldn't we try to maximize on those changes? Or at least consider it.

Yes, te player last season may have not played well, but that was before the change. How much will this change effect the game? I have no idea, but shouldn't we take a proactive approach instead of just doing the same things we did prior and failed at?

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Date: 2/19/2016 7:05:49 PM
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hypothetical question for all potential managers,
Two players look like this at start of u21 year, whats your action, if any.

Player A
7/12/12/3/4/10/8/10/10/12

Player B
8/8/9/6/6/10/10/10/10/12

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Date: 2/19/2016 7:07:44 PM
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The three point changes, should they be significant, will not be seen for the next two seasons, maybe three. Guys that are 20-21 likely wouldn't be molded to that perimeter style of play. For the SB change, I think that was more of a personal call from phyr. He still used one or two bigs with SB and guards with decent SB.... But I get the sense that he wasn't that keen on it. Perhaps owners of players didn't want in as well.

Finally, the offsite isn't one big family, it's several small groups of people working towards different priorities. It hasn't been at a cabal level since old man Jfarb01 retired

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276706.160 in reply to 276706.157
Date: 2/19/2016 7:33:53 PM
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Spoonerific,

If you actually followed the U21 team, you would know that we have played a diverse set of tactics since EBW was manager which is the last 8 seasons. The balance between inside and other tactics I would say is actually closer to 50/50 than you think. The idea that we have also failed with this approach has been proven false multiple times in this thread. The sim is changing and we have in fact been proactive in make changes, but you wouldn't know that because your dislike for the offsite blinds you from actually seeing what goes on there. We had a team in S32 that beat the best inside team in the world using outside offense. There are SG builds that have been proven more effective than the one you listed, which are probably going to be even more effective with the new slight changes to 3PT%.

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Date: 2/19/2016 9:50:28 PM
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Player a is almost doomed with regards to the u21 spot. Doesn't have enough dr/ha/is. He should get pumped 1v1 forwards. Player b would have a shot. Pump 1v1 and then I'd. Balanced inside sf.

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Date: 2/19/2016 9:57:21 PM
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No one has built an elite SG that I am speaking of, so how can you even say that it is better? The build I am speaking of isn't necessarily devoid of HND/DRV/PA its just delayed, depending on POT and base build it could start training those at Age 20. Specifically if PA was to be trained then it would train fairly quickly.

My point on inside focus was on the last few season which seem like any big game LI or LP is run {you know if a game is run at all}, but maybe that's just me.

As far as waiting to see how the sim responds then starting to build after that is asking to end up lagging behind in the metagame that is 10-12 seasons of training.

But I'm glad that you all know exactly how the sim will react to the changes and that "your" builds are optimized to perform in it.

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