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1st: Mentor system is not only to players that started the game. There's a lot of managers that play for a lot o f time, but still haven't understand the basics of the game.

Getting a player into 1 NT scrimmage or setting a lineup for one scrimmage game just doesn't seem an enticement to me at all, I'm sorry

It may not be an excitement for you because, as you said, you are accostumed to deal with high level players. But there's a lot of players that would like to have that opportunity



2nd: What I'm saying is that if Astrogoth is giving up from the results, our job can't be worse than his in that aspect, so our experience ( or lack of it as you say) wouldn't count for anything

I dont think the idea with the competition in which a team can win a 1 time spot in the U21 NT is a good idea, I do think for a few players it could persuade them to get more involved. However, after that 1 time than what? He won and the excitement is over, I think you will struggle to keep such a coach interested.

Looking at the current group we got, in the short term there isnt much we can gain, we wont promote and I doubt we have improved over the last few seasons. Not because a lack from the U21 team coach, but due to many different small issues, off which I am sure the active members know exactly what I am talking about, mounted to a decline in player quality for the U21 instead off better players.

Yes you might find my idea stupid, to forfeit a conselation tournament to the benefit off future U21 players, but what is there to loose in doing so? You can that way play more players, get more coaches involved cause their players will play more than only once and you can build experience from some players and even if they would only gain 1 level extra, that is a huge bonuses when a 20 year old gets that level than a 22 year old that just aged and no longer can play for the U21. At our level every small bit matters to qualify into the next round and although I am still learning from every game I play and still have no clue or something along those lines how the GE fully works, I am sure with the cooperation and healthy debates we will have in the community we can make huge steps forward. Whether this will improve the team enough to pass the first group stage, only time can tell. But it is worth a try in my opinion, since almost anything (due to so many smaller things, some that you cant even control) else thus far hasnt worked...

I never said that the idea was stupid. I just said that since the results aren't an issue, lack of experience isn't one too. I just want to ask you a question. You worse results, worse rankings. It will lead to hard groups in the future. DO you think that you will be able to overcome it and qualify in a tougher group?

do you think, looking at the kind off group we got in now, it can get any worse?

Yes. If we go lower in the rankings, it will get worse

sorry, let me rephrase my question, i ment something differently and it is my fault for not making this clear. We are currently 49 in the world ranking, you think we can do a lot more worse? I dont think so, secondly yes you are right, we might end up in a more difficult group, but if my idea works, which we dont know off course, our team will be better too, and I think good enough to make the difference with teams that we now cant beat... Than we can climb the world rankings and with the better players we have than we will stand a better chance.

Ps having the nr 7 and 9 from the world rankings in the same group wont happen quickly again. I also believe that Finland is alot better than their current position suggests...

It's a risk to take. But there are a lot of managers who have 18 year old players. What will be the criteria to choose 10 18-year old players. And what about the managers that trained their players since their 18 and now that their are 21, they will not be selected because of the 18 year old?
Don't think that I'm criticizing your idea. I'm just trying tom know if you have everything thought.

I see Bomby said it hadn't worked, Well, that's his opinion. We might want to be higher rated than we are but we've still created some good players over the past four seasons.

I did say that, and possibly I spoke a little hastily. What I should have said would be more like "It hasn't worked as well as we hoped/needed it to work". I apologize for that and meant no disrespect for the coaches we've had, I think you have all done a superior job with what you've had available to you.

We've got some excellent players in the English system, and I would guess (I admit I haven't followed it recently) that we actually have a few very good youngsters as well. Much of the credit for what we do have goes to the NT coaches and the largely thankless work they do.

Again I do apologize if anyone felt offended. I'll leave this conversation for now as I'm not in the right frame of mind to express my thoughts clearly.

I agree with you guys, off course we have some decent players in both the NT and U21 team. Secondly I dont think anyone else would have done a much better job with the tools available to the U21 teams as has been done over the last few seasons. However, look at the slow decline off the U21 team and the positive direction the NT is going. We had 2 more losses from qualifying spot, however it could have been alot closer too, all that follow the NT know that...

Do me a favour elmacca and bomby, have a search on the TS market and tell me how many english players you would really consider buying, and training? I have only 2 on my bookmarks. I have been looking for a over a whole season now for an english trainee, and either they are way over priced and never sell or they are simply not good enough.

Off course some will be trained by their coaches, but I have a feeling, this isnt done most off the time and we are loosing out quite alot. Than please have a look at all the draftees in the top division and all the 2nd divisions and look how many all star players with a salary higher off 4000 you see. The same goes for last season. When I did this research I could cry seriously. I know we cant change this, but these are the facts. It is noones fault, noones lack off dedication, just parts off the game we cant control and that we have to accept.

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/10/2009 2:04:48 PM

Could you answer my question? I really want to know what are your plans for solving that

well, 3, the good news is I'm bidding on one, heroics is on another and loosers from anfield on the third, so that's a potential starting SF, PF and C right there ;-)