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Why "will be"?
And "most of" can be 51%, so there are still 49% left. And even if it was only 20%, it's for me still quite common.

Will be = are. Witchever you like. It's below 20%, probably even under 5%.

and on which facts are your numbers based on?

Just look at some of the top teams transfers. A lot rounded of sells with some 99.99 etc sells. Thus I came to a conclusion a lot of those top players are sold at their original set price. Ofcourse I can not say how many times has the player been listed, but looking at those evenly numbered sells, I presume that sales that have happened with oddly numbered results are actually the ones that have not had their listing price adjusted. Thus saying that many lowered starting price ends up being a bidwar and sells way above the initial price is unlogical.
Do you have facts to counter my logic?

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/11/2010 1:09:50 PM

Is your data just based on top teams?

If so then you will have to agree the finish of a lot of the auctions is very different to players that sell off for under $3-4million.
A 2% increase on a guy thats $3mil is not normally offputting enough if you have a team on the fence about whether or not they should up their original bid (which would be around $120k different assuming they just got outbid)

Bidding against the big boys is very different.. the timing can be very important. If you choose to sit back and wait for everyone to seemingly finish you risk paying a fortune. So, take an $8mil player... a team bids 8mil forcing any new interested party to bid $8,160,000 then $8,323,200 then $8,489,664 then $8,659,457. If you have 3 teams involved then from your original $8mil if you miss the $8.3mil bid after one of the 2 other bidders goes $8.16mil your next bid to secure your guy would be for almost $500k more. This is why a lot of teams may fire down a rounded marker where they are disciplined enough to walk away from if the action gets too hot. Most managers that are able to spend that sort of money on players have done their homework in advance and thats why these auctions get wrapped up pretty quickly. I would also be inclined to assume that becuase more experienced/richer managers know how to value the top players in the game that the teams selling the best players also know how to price them.

I think you misunderestimate the negotiations that go on via BB-mails... an average run of the mill player doesnt need discussion because you'll have a big number of people interested at most levels until he reaches parity with other similar players that are listed. If you have a unique skillset then its not uncommon to see a player listed for 10/12/15mil and then you can bet that manager might receive an enquiry with a firm offer. If accepted then the player is relisted and then a sale is made. If i want to make an offer on a player i wont say I'll give you $8.453,945 for him (unless i was really desperate to land him and that happened to be the exact balance I had available!)

a german national player get listed three times in a row, 2* times for 5,5 Mio and one time for 5 then he get sold for 6,5 after a bidding war. The question is, when 5,5 was overprized what could you sell about 6,5 as a selling price and two teams like to spend that.

My answer was a reply to neglate that relisting at lower price ends up being a bidwar that goes over the top. We are talking about taxing players not sold. Bidwars and how roundedly you bid has nothing to do with this suggestion.
If noone is buying your 100k, 500k, 1mil etc player, you have overpriced them. We can not actually say noone can afford them, can we?
As I can not know how many unsold listing there are worldwide, I can not know how big of an impact this tax would actually make. This is for BB's to decide as they only have that info. All I could do is have the number of unsold players in estonian top2 leagues for the next month. But I tend to think that is not really needed as this can be easily obtained by BB's.

"If noone is buying your 100k, 500k, 1mil etc player, you have overpriced them."

I think this is the point that you seem to believe that everyone else disagrees with. Just because I list a player for 1 million that doesn't get sold does not mean that he is overpriced. Maybe there were 3 similar players being sold around the same time and there only happened to be 2 people interested and unfortunately they bought the other 2 players that were selling at 1 million and so mine didn't get sold. Doesn't mean the player was overpriced.

Or perhaps a top team has a 10 million dollar player for sale and at the time of the auction there was no team with that amount of money spare that was looking for that type of player. Doesn't mean the player was overpriced.

Perhaps I have a player worth 1 million and I list him at 1 million during off peak hours and at the time of the sale there is only about 300 people online and maybe none of those 300 people were looking for this type of player and so he didn't sell, however had he been listed when 2000 people were online then maybe he would have sold. Doesn't mean the player was overpriced.

I think you of all people should understand what I am talking about:P
4 overpriced listings ended tonight in estonian top league without any of those players selling, rangeing from 3-5mil.
If you would have listed that 1mil player @ 750k would it have sold? If those 2 other managers chose two other players, perhaps your player was not worth the money. I know prices can change, playoffs, start of the season, free agents removed.
You need to understand this: players have a value range, listing that "1mil" player that does not sell for 750k will give you a bid even on off hours, you might get few more bids at peak hours. If none has bid on him for 3 days, he is not worth the money at that point of time.
I'm tired of explaining the same things over and over again. I feel I have made my point so it's all up to BB's to decide. I know these managers who milk this option exist and I will keep an eye on them regardless how this suggestion turns out. One fine usually works wonders and I will be there when they mess up :P

Last edited by Kukoc at 5/11/2010 3:51:08 PM

Mate - You have never paid more than $2mil for a player, never received more than $2mil for a player and currently have 1 player (sorry to judge on salary alone) that may fetch you $3mil +. You can only imagine how the increased skills impact game performance as opposed to having first hand experience.

Until you are involved in making purchases, receiving money and owning players that you pass your critique on your judgement in my eyes means precious little. You've seen argument upon argument from other recognized managers, you've been given live examples of recent trades that throw most of your theory out the window.

I personally believe you just have a lot of cash sitting in your account and you are too miserly to make a bold move to upgrade a couple of players that could lead you to (heaven forbid) to a position where you can challenge to promote up to Division 1. I can only assume you are waiting until you have an enormous cash balance where upon you will pick up 4-5 new players and steam roller your way to promotion. Maybe you are just policing the Estonain leagues in the attempt to pick up some bargain local players?!

Either way, its like a paper trader saying oh i could be buying/selling stocks making great money each week. Well if thats the case, step up and do it. Til then the market is self-regulating and I trust my instincts on player values and when uncertain have plenty of guys willing to give 2nd opinions. I assume we will have some correlation on values but you need to widen your ranges as players skillsets go beyond those of the players you use in your day to day experience of BB. You also need to have more faith in the system to penalise the isolated cases this thread was originally about.

So, here are numbers from my team, transfer price $ 5M+ since 01/01/2009

Sold players with only 1 bid: 4
Sold players with 2+ bids: 3
Bought players with only 1 bid: 1
Bough players with 2+ bids: 6 (1 of them was FA, so count only 5)

It really doesn't look like 5% and even like 20%.

As Superfly wrote, make some own experience than you are judging something.

Because I have not bought any players in that range does not mean I do not know how much players are worth.

I personally believe you just have a lot of cash sitting in your account and you are too miserly to make a bold move to upgrade a couple of players that could lead you to (heaven forbid) to a position where you can challenge to promote up to Division 1.

That's where you are wrong. I have been building my arena. So my cash has never been over 2,3mil. If I see an upgrade I'll buy him. Usually players I am interested in will get a lot of bids and end up selling well over their listed value. A lot of players that I see with my search are overpriced compared to their skill, but I would not buy them even if they were listed for 100k. Why? because I only buy upgrades. Some people do not understand the players, thus they buy depending on their funds and looking at current dmi or salary.
I am policing Estonian leagues because I want atleast Estonia to be clean. For honest old players and new players.

Either way, its like a paper trader saying oh i could be buying/selling stocks making great money each week. Well if thats the case, step up and do it.

I will never do it, even if I am capable of doing it. I have certain values. Trading players seems so against fair play (for me atleast). Just to buy someone for the purpose of selling. Daytrading (or weektrading) borderline cheating or atleast the line between them is "vague" at most. So if you see someone stealing in the supermarket and he does not get caught? You steal also? Not my moto. Without people like me reporting those transfers, a lot of the fishy transfers might not get fined.