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212354.157 in reply to 212354.156
Date: 5/29/2012 9:02:34 AM
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It has been fairly frustrating seeing in each of the last two seasons a team make the top four that has basically had a free ride and made it there with at most one competitive game on the way while others (not me by the way) seem to have challenging opponent after challenging opponent costing them multiple league wins.

But I think a seeded tournament has even bigger problems meaning that teams like BLS and WB will get a free run for weeks making the rich richer. Seems like a bad idea.

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212354.158 in reply to 212354.157
Date: 5/29/2012 9:09:23 AM
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The same teams (i.e. ABBL teams) make it to the final stages under the current system anyway, so I doubt a change to a seeded draw will have any influence on 'the rich getting richer'. At least under a seeded system, on average teams in the same league will make around about the same income from the cup (obviously give or take a game or two). Under the current random draw, teams can also get a financial advantage from getting an easy cup run, compared to their league opponent that gets knocked out in round 1.

The ability to play an extra TIE each week is pretty much the most important thing about still being in the cup. At the moment, this is assigned to teams completely at random.

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212354.159 in reply to 212354.158
Date: 5/29/2012 9:20:33 AM
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Two ABBL teams out this season already. If they were playing bots it would be 0.

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212354.160 in reply to 212354.159
Date: 5/29/2012 9:32:45 AM
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And they are at a significant disadvantage now compared to their league opponents that get a bunch of easy wins vs bots to start off their season with.

It's not just ABBL though, it goes for all leagues in all divisions. Teams are advantaged/disadvantaged purely due to getting lucky with the cup draw.

From: tremell

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212354.161 in reply to 212354.159
Date: 5/29/2012 10:15:33 AM
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I hate random draw, I ran into a buzzsaw he beat me and injured my player!

Last 2 seasons I loved random draw though haha

Last edited by tremell at 5/29/2012 10:18:23 AM

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212354.162 in reply to 212354.161
Date: 5/29/2012 10:42:43 AM
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I hate random draw, I ran into a buzzsaw he beat me and injured my player!

Last 2 seasons I loved random draw though haha

lol

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212354.163 in reply to 212354.156
Date: 5/29/2012 5:44:29 PM
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As a manager, we have absolutely no way of influencing the cup draw or doing anything about it if we get unlucky early in the cup. At least with other 'random' things (injuries, form, etc) we can do something about them, using our skills as a manager. A random cup draw, by it's very nature, will always put other teams at a disadvantage through absolutely no doing of their ow


I think we all have control over our cup runs.....if you get knocked out early on, then you should have been a better manager and had a better team. :P

i have no issues with being knocked out in the first round, i just have an issue with Bots still being in the 2nd round in my place.

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212354.164 in reply to 212354.158
Date: 5/29/2012 10:40:31 PM
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The ability to play an extra TIE each week is pretty much the most important thing about still being in the cup. At the moment, this is assigned to teams completely at random.


So basically you want a hand out to be able to play TIE each week. Why not tank a league game and play TIE there and normal the cup if you are so keen to stay in it (as i have done this week)

I would like it if it was somewhat "seeded" until all the bots were out then random it up.
bots can't use the $50k, I can....


I understand this point an it does make sense. Though one of the guys i work with did lose to a bot once which was amusing.

Maybe they can do it so that all bots play active users in rd one and go from there. There are 525 users in Australia so in Rd one of the cup there should be 1024 teams which means on a few would play "real" teams and the rest would play bots. After that it's random

Last edited by coachnoodles at 5/29/2012 10:41:36 PM

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212354.165 in reply to 212354.164
Date: 5/30/2012 12:42:02 AM
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The ability to play an extra TIE each week is pretty much the most important thing about still being in the cup. At the moment, this is assigned to teams completely at random.


So basically you want a hand out to be able to play TIE each week. Why not tank a league game and play TIE there and normal the cup if you are so keen to stay in it (as i have done this week)


No, I want it to be even (to a reasonable degree) for all teams in the same league. I don't expect a free TIE game each week, but I expect that all teams in the same league have the same opportunity to play TIE i.e. it's not decided completely at random, thus giving some teams an advantage.

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212354.166 in reply to 212354.165
Date: 5/30/2012 6:47:19 AM
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Well eliminating the cup is the only way to do it then as tht means two chances to play TIE each week - any form of tournaments that involves elimination means some teams will drop out before others

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212354.167 in reply to 212354.166
Date: 5/30/2012 8:28:26 AM
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I think we're losing sight of the issue here. I'm not talking about eliminating the cup, or anything as drastic as that.

There's a clear advantage to some teams and a clear disadvantage to other teams, as a result of the random cup draw. That's not up for debate - it definitely exists. Whether you think it's a big deal or not is debatable, which is fair enough, but it's undeniable that the disadvantage is there.

A seeded cup draw makes it much fairer, as teams in the same league will on average face teams of around about the same strength. This removes those instances where teams get significantly easier cup runs, thus removing that big advantage.

I'm not talking in absolutes here. Obviously teams can still be eliminated earlier than their league opponents and I'm not suggesting at all that this shouldn't be the case, nor that this is unfair or bad for the game. My suggestion is aimed at removing the obvious disadvantages placed on some teams as a result of something completely random.

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