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From: Knecht

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But after some thinking it makes some sense. I remember when I put two solid players on TL; they were sold for nickel and a dime just because online there wasn't anyone interested to pick them up except for daytraders, who happily resold them two weeks later. If I knew about this rule then, I would surely put a few bids on my players myself.


Its pretty much a prank, when you do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHtyyvqUXEI

If you want a certain amount, just put in the amount you are willing to sell for. Don't make up some weird theories how this works like eBays reserve price. lol

Some people get up in the middle of the night just to bid on players, imagine how funny and fair might be for those lads and lassies to get bitchslapped like that.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
From: Koperboy

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Nice prank lol.

Well it works like reserve price from Ebay; only on Ebay they tell you "you didn't reach reserved price yet", so it makes it more fair.

I'd feel sorry for those who are willing to wake up in the middle of the night only to bid on a player on browser-based game...only I'm not for the reasons stated below:

Do you know how to avoid waking up in the middle of the night? I'll just borrow your own words:

If you want a certain amount, just put in the amount you are willing to sell for.

So if you want to buy a player for certain amount, just put in the amount you are willing to buy for and you don't have to set the alarm. RIght? Because if you get up in the middle of the night, that's only because you want to save money by buying the player under the price. Just like the owner who wants to sell the player above the price. They are all same to me.


Last edited by Koperboy at 8/23/2013 6:59:49 AM

From: Knecht

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Do you know how to avoid waking up in the middle of the night? I'll just borrow your own words:

If you want a certain amount, just put in the amount you are willing to sell for.

So if you want to buy a player for certain amount, just put in the amount you are willing to buy for and you don't have to set the alarm. RIght? Because if you get up in the middle of the night, that's only because you want to save money by buying the player under the price. Just like the owner who wants to sell the player above the price. They are all same to me.


Oh come on... You can put in a high price, but that does not guarantee you will get the player - somebody can outbid you in the last second. How good is your recipe for success now? Of course you can overbid, but that will get you in trouble for sure. Either because somebody accuses you of cheating, or because you are shooting yourself in the foot because you are burning money.

I am not surprised the game declines steadily if there are always good reasons NOT to change something - especially in such a case we are discussing here, its a minor issue but can cause huge dissatisfaction.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
From: Koperboy

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I am not surprised the game declines steadily if there are always good reasons NOT to change something - especially in such a case we are discussing here, its a minor issue but can cause huge dissatisfaction.

Well I was one of the first to suggest the reserved price in the Suggestion forums to get rid of self-bid. I just wanted to show the other side of the coin. Self-bid causes dissatisfaction to a small number of users and at the same time it's useful for small number of other users. IT just happens you are on the dissatisfied side and your voice is being heard.

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From: Knecht

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Self-bid causes dissatisfaction to a small number of users


But sooner or later everybody happens to be in such a situation, if it can be avoided to diappoint users adequate measures should be taken.

But what am I talking again... We all know there is no time/money/swag for innovation and change in this game left.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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Date: 8/23/2013 9:39:03 AM
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If you couldn't bid on your own players, you could accidentally list someone at 10000 instead of 100000 and not be able to get him back if he is only selling for 10000.

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So if you want to buy a player for certain amount, just put in the amount you are willing to buy for and you don't have to set the alarm. RIght? Because if you get up in the middle of the night, that's only because you want to save money by buying the player under the price. Just like the owner who wants to sell the player above the price. They are all same to me.


You can at times get players for less than you would be "willing" to pay for them. You'll never see a player sold at less than the price he was listed for. I don't think removing outright the ability of owners to re-buy their own players is necessary, but I do agree with the point that using them to try to pump up the selling price is an undesired feature. Perhaps make it so that if the owner wants to rebuy his player, he needs to beat the current bid by a huge margin (+100k or double the price, whichever is greater).

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Date: 8/23/2013 2:44:35 PM
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a little bit off topic...


What if we remove the ability of an owner to bid on his own player so we can drive towards a more accurate transfer price list estimate?

I often experience starting to bid on a player at 1$ (or 1000) wait for 2 days only to find myself bidding against the owner himself at the player deadline. It is a price manipulation of sorts but I quickly lose my enthusiasm when i see the name of the owner bidding as well. Its like did i wake up for this s__t!?! I mean there is a minimum price that you are suppose to be happy parting with the player, but some managers like to get the most bang for their buck so they drive prices up by repeated bidding on their own player. I don't mind people posting overpriced players at least they don't waste my time getting up to purchase the player.



Transfer price limits will never be accurate based on the way they're currently calculated and the occasional owner bidding on their own players has absolutely nothing to do with this issue.

As it is, I honestly don't see how this hurts the game negatively at all so I'm confused on why this even needs to be 'fixed'. There's a huge risk involved in bidding on your own player and if you don't want to get into a bidding war with that player's owner then simply stop bidding on move on to the next player.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 8/23/2013 2:46:48 PM

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You can at times get players for less than you would be "willing" to pay for them.

Of course, and that's why some people get up in the middle of the night But if we're using the argument "set the price you want outright" for sellers, why don't we use the same argument for buyers? Someone above me said they can still be outbid - but hey, if that was the last price you were going to pay, then you are ok if you don't buy the player, since you weren't going to pay that much money anyway, right?

I know you are burning cash by entering the highest bid...but so are the owners burning their time by setting the price they would want their players to sell for

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You can at times get players for less than you would be "willing" to pay for them.

Of course, and that's why some people get up in the middle of the night But if we're using the argument "set the price you want outright" for sellers, why don't we use the same argument for buyers? Someone above me said they can still be outbid - but hey, if that was the last price you were going to pay, then you are ok if you don't buy the player, since you weren't going to pay that much money anyway, right?

I know you are burning cash by entering the highest bid...but so are the owners burning their time by setting the price they would want their players to sell for


It's not equivalent, though. Setting a minimum price for selling a player doesn't prevent you from getting more if the interest is there. Bidding your max prevents you from getting a better deal if there's the opportunity. It may, however, allow you to get more sleep.

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