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Dude... PF/Cs absolutely should have OD/Passing.
Just the same as guards should have IS/ID and some SB.

If you're creating PF/Cs that don't have OD/Passing, they're going to struggle to get a game in NT (and possibly U21)... unless they are complete and utter one dimensional monsters with 250k++ salaries.

I've spent an entire season working on OD/Passing/JS for K-Mat & Tim ( (21305788) & (23706795) ), and I'm about to commence another season doing the same. It's hard going, but they are beginning to look like very good players.

I've teamed them with my other trainee, Torii ( (27821782) ). It works out well as he's now working on his primaries - but the season after next, he'll be working on his interior skills, as I finish up K-Mat & Tim. And only then will he start to be the player he could be.

The best thing is about training secondaries, at worst, the addition to the salary is minimal, but the end result is a significant increase in on-court impact.

Rather than tell the U21 coach that he's wrong, ask *why* he's asking managers to do that training.

Yeah......If a PF/C has OD and another one doesn't......who do you think I would play?
I would rather have this
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: strong Handling: prominent
Driving: proficient Passing: strong
Inside Shot: prominent Inside Def.: prolific
Rebounding: prominent Shot Blocking: strong

than
Jump Shot: awful Jump Range: pitiful
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: inept
Driving: prominent Passing: inept
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: sensational
Rebounding: sensational Shot Blocking: strong

Passing and OD are very important for Both PF and C.

And let me tell you this......if I have to choose between two SGs with the same GS and same G skills and one has average SB and the other had pitiful and I know that a team is going to run LI....who do you think will get the start? The better SB....easy

Maybe you are not ready to be U-21 manager. With silly post like this and the whole Kishita sabotage. I really don't think you know what you are doing or talking about. You pop in every once in awhile and all you do is spout this negativity....Looks like I will running for U-21 or trying to talk Malice into it. You"re not ready.

All Players need SB?

Now I know why you posted this.

And I can tell you this.....I have two SGs behind yours with way better Inside skills than your boy Andou. Having a level 1 ID/IS or SB and sitting in a bot league where you could play your boy out of position is inexcusable. Look at Super Takabe....he had a level 1 ID right out of the draft, now it is 6 levels higher. And he is about to take Andou's starting spot.

Last but not least for the newbie in you....
ID helps OD train through elastic effect. And to get ID up you need SB because it effects ID training through elastics. Training is like a spider web, it is all linked. And for you not to know this is sad.
If team ran outside O all the time than a no ID/SB SG would be useful, but when 97% of games are LI battles, having a player handicapped by bad inside skills is just a waste of a jersey.

At PF.....easily player B....is that some kind of joke. And I am the U-21 coach which means, training OD and passing on bigs while they are young is very important. Your player A looks good for a Per. Allstar with no chance of making the senior squad, but for MVP's and HOF players...Got to get those secondaries out of the way early. Thanks for your input, but isn't U-21 the stepping stone for the NT team? I think we just are playing the game in two different countries and it shows. In your world, ruining a player by capping him out without secondaries is cool because you have so much talent to choose from. In Japan, we don't have that luxury. We get maybe two or three decent MVP/HOF players a season in the draft. And as U-21 manager, I will try my hardest to make sure they are trained right and not abandoned like Shinaga did to Kishita.
For example;
Take the young HOF player Takabe..(Sorry Brutus Buckeye but he is a beast now)..yeah he is going to be a PG/SG in the future, but he came out of the draft with level 1 ID....sure he didn't need to train it in your and Shinaga's world, but for him to make the next step...I informed him he should train it...and BOOOOOOM...6 ID POPs...
BTW....The managers don't have to listen to me if they don't want. But if their player gets passed up by another player on the depth chart, it is the managers problem not mine. I can only direct them, I can't force them to train what I want.

Last edited by Yellow cake at 9/4/2013 10:23:14 AM

In scrimmage news.....we will have game three with the Saudis. They took game 1....we took game 2...should be fun to watch. Next Monday at 6pm....

Feel free to take part... but in Nippon (and other nations of small size) - with our limited player pool - it is absolutely imperative that the U21 manager and the NT manager work together. The U21 manager absolutely should be preparing players for NT duty, not simply focusing on his team.

And you have to understand... Shinaga's questioning (and at times, it seems constant) is more about his player and trying to discredit YC as the U21 manager than anything else. I suspect as we get closer to elections, the more it will ramp up.

Last edited by malice at 9/4/2013 5:32:10 PM