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I said there was no con in training guard skills. Not that he will have no weaknesses :P
His OD is going to be bad no matter what happens, unless someone is crazy enough to train it up but I don't recommend it.
And I'm not saying to keep him forever, I'm saying that if he trains him like I said and then sells him in about 1 season he could get about 2 million for him.

And if he follows the training I said it will result in a well rounded C with good guard skills anyway. But with the jump shot he would be able to play him at power forward in lower divisions, and will be able to sell him before he gets to higher divisions anyway.

This would be a fantastic player. He would be worth lots of money on the transfer list, and his salary will be low so you get a lot more out of him.

All rounded players dont seem to fetch as much on the TL as players with standout skills (I personally dont know why, but it is what it is). He would make much more selling this player if he trains in inside skills only...

For an example, my 2 trainees are 2 completely different players, but for now are being trained in the same way.

Age: 18
Height: 6'11" / 211 cm
Potential: perennial allstar

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: respectable
Driving: mediocre Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: inept Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: mediocre Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: pitiful ↑ Free Throw: proficient

Got this player cheap because his height is no good to train his guard skills, but as they stand, they will be very easy to make a very well rounded PF when his inside skills catch up... His transfer price estimate drops weekly, even though he has popped almost every week.

Age: 19
Height: 6'7" / 201 cm
Potential: superstar

Jump Shot: average Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: awful Handling: average
Driving: strong Passing: average
Inside Shot: strong Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: strong Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: strong ↑ Free Throw: average

This player was a draft pick I ended up with that I was going to train for a season and sell, but have now decided to try and turn into an inside based SF.

What do you think the estimate transfer price would be for both these players?

I disagree, I think young well rounded players will fetch more.
I see a lot of 19 year olds on the market now with good inside skills and no secondary skills and they sell for less than 1 million. This was my 19 year old that I sold a few weeks ago:

Height: 6'10"
Potential: Perennial Allstar
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: pitiful
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: proficient
Driving: average Passing: inept
Inside Shot: proficient Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: proficient Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: pitiful

He sold for 1.75 million dollars, and is probably worth more than that.


As for your players, I think your 18 year old is worth about 200k.
And your 19 year old is worth about 500k.

This was my 19 year old that I sold a few weeks ago:

That is not a well rounded player... That is a PF (and his JS only just qualifies him for that) with exceptional handling. That player would serve no purpose in playing any position other than C/PF...

And the 18 yo is 200k-1 mill (49 recent transfers) and the 19 yo is 200k-300k (7 recent transfers). The 18 year old was 500k-2.5 mill 3-4 weeks ago and has had 3 pops on his inside skills since.

That is not what I think. That is what the 56 teams that bought similar players think. If the BB community as a whole thought they were worth more, people would pay more. The highest bid always wins and someone will always (stupidly) bid more for a player based on potential and the players highest 2 or 3 skills. I believe it is wrong that it happens this way, but like I said, it is what it is...

That just proves that the transfer price estimate is completely wrong. I would bet a large amount of money that the 19 year old will sell for more than the 18 year old. The 19 year old has better potential and has much better skills.

As for my player, he was a power forward/center with good secondaries, and I am saying that they sell for more than someone with prominent inside skills and atrocious secondaries. I don't think you would be able to find many 19 year olds with better skills than that guy.

Does the US needs a center who can pull off jumpshots?

Ask your National Team and U21 National Team coach.

I think Jumpshot can be useful for a Center but I am sure there are others that don't like having it.

That just proves that the transfer price estimate is completely wrong. I would bet a large amount of money that the 19 year old will sell for more than the 18 year old. The 19 year old has better potential and has much better skills.

How does that prove the transfer price estimate is completely wrong? The TPE is what the current transfers of players with similar skills are. That cannot be wrong! Just because it doesn't tie in with what you believe does not discredit its worth... Only yours.

As for the 18 year old not being worth more... He is worth much more because in exactly 1 seasons time he will have much higher skills than the other does at the moment. And as for potential, I dont intend on either of these players having salaries over 100k so what is the point in having higher potential? I bought the 18 year old because he will cap exactly when I want him to and if I saved money because he has lower potential, well I guess that is a great move by me... Although I doubt it as I know of a player with star potential that sold for 4.9 mill and he wasnt well rounded.

As for my player, he was a power forward/center with good secondaries, and I am saying that they sell for more than someone with prominent inside skills and atrocious secondaries. I don't think you would be able to find many 19 year olds with better skills than that guy.

1) He is a good C/PF with good handling... He doesn't get many turnovers... That is a secondary... Not plural...
2) If you spend a whole season training secondaries on a young prospect, his value will drop weekly as the vast majority (who in a lot of cases would be wrong) would pay much more for a player who is a whole season ahead in his primaries.
3) The very player that this thread is about will be a much better 19 yo C/PF than that guy!

The TPE doesn't work well.It appraise mainly only one skill,while a player to be useful had to have at least 3 skills for a center(for example)
And it is based on the previous transfers on players with only the skill that it appraise similar,so he could appraise two completely different players with almost the same value.Besides,the previous transfers could be affected by some strange transfer,or by some mistake in the evaluation of the players made by buyers

Don't entrust so much of the TPE ;D

Any experienced manager knows that the TPE is way off in the majority of cases, especially for trainees and especially for uniquely skilled players.
The 18 year old that you listed will NOT sell for more than the 19 year old.

Very simply put, people overpay for potential! The 19 year old has better skills currently (although he hasn't been trained well so far) and has better potential so he will sell for more. The 19 year old also has better height for training secondaries.

The fact that you think the TPE can't be wrong means you know nothing about how the TPE works. More than half of the players on my roster don't have TPEs listed, and the ones that do have a listing are wrong because the TPE doesn't consider every skill.

As for your points about the player I sold, he is 19 years old, and he had 2 strongs, 3 proficients, and good skills in many other areas.
I gave the player I sold over 10 weeks of secondary skills training and he sold for almost 2 million dollars. Secondaries sell for a LOT of money, at least when there are experienced and smart users on the market.

And actually, I think most people would rather buy a center with great guard skills and average inside skills, or a guard with great inside skills and average guard skills, because then they can easily train up the primary skills without having to play a player out of position. Training primary skills is easier than training secondary skills.

Show me a player that exists right now that is better, you can't say that a player in the future will be better because you don't know if he will get injured, or the user quits or something else.

i see you met my friend pabs :)

have fun, ive fought this fight before.

in the end pabs a good guy and a good manager he just has very different thoughts about things.