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So tactics and OF are independent, as I read this.

Same paragraph:

Putting on a full court press will increase the number of turnovers you force, but will also give opponents with good ball handling skills easy looks at the hoop.

So maybe tactics do influence the OF, because the offensive flow will be better when your opponent does not execute FCP well.

But it's the same story for almost everything regarding the game-engine. Nothing is for sure, it's just what you believe. There are no facts yet, just a general discription in the rules.

What you cite is a description of the defensive tactic called 'Full Court Press.' It has nothing to do with the Offensive Flow rating. Anyone who uses FCP will create a few more turnovers for his opponent while giving up a few easy baskets. That is how FCP works in reality.

From the rules:

The better offensive flow you have, the more high quality assisted shots you will get.

This sentence is very clear. OF improves every offensive tactic. So it is independent of your offensive tactical and choice. And your opponent's defensive tactical choice.

Check out the OF of the top teams in USA D1. There OF rating against other D1 teams is insignificantly different from the ratings they achieve in Cup games against DV bot teams. This is typical at all levels and countries that I have checked out. Not everyone, to be sure, but more than anyone else has taken the time to look at, other than a BB, I'm willing to bet.

I've seen a few OFs reach Mediocre, but most good teams are only Inept no matter who they play. Why is this? Why would a player like a cited in the first post not result in at least Mediocre OF?

Again from the rules:

Offensive Flow (how well the offense produces assists, avoids turnovers): point guard weighted very heavily, shooting guard weighted medium, small forward weighted medium.

A guy like this should make a significant difference. And he's not.

I'd like to understand why.

It has nothing to do with the Offensive Flow rating. Anyone who uses FCP will create a few more turnovers for his opponent while giving up a few easy baskets. That is how FCP works in reality.

This sentence is very clear. OF improves every offensive tactic. So it is independent of your offensive tactical and choice. And your opponent's defensive tactical choice.

Lets take an in-game example.
My last two games, same form, same line-up. The first game I played push the ball, OF was inept(low), the second game (remember: same form, same line-up, not training updates in between) I played Look Inside, OF was awful(low). How come this ain't exactly the same in both games? The same players played. My backups even played less in the 2nd game, so the OF should be higher there.

Maybe you have an explanation for this, because I don't. If only your own players affect the offensive flow than there is something very strange here, since the same players and with the same stats (no training update in between) played.

I'd like to understand the OF as well, but I do believe it isn't only your players skills who have influence on it, there has to be more.



Last edited by BB-Patrick at 3/6/2008 10:44:23 AM

They are both 'tactics'

One is your offensive tactic, the other is your defensive tactic.

'Tactics' does NOT merely mean offense.

Thjis reply has nothing to do with what I said. If you are going ot be curt then at least try to be correct. AT NO POINT WAS OFFENSE EVER MENTIONED.

Of course there are defensive and offensive tactics.

There are ALSO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DEFENSIVE ABILITY, which is entirely separate from the tactics you choose.

Last edited by TigerUnderGlass at 3/6/2008 12:56:42 PM

Lets take an in-game example.
My last two games, same form, same line-up. The first game I played push the ball, OF was inept(low), the second game (remember: same form, same line-up, not training updates in between) I played Look Inside, OF was awful(low). How come this ain't exactly the same in both games? The same players played. My backups even played less in the 2nd game, so the OF should be higher there.

Maybe you have an explanation for this, because I don't. If only your own players affect the offensive flow than there is something very strange here, since the same players and with the same stats (no training update in between) played.

I'd like to understand the OF as well, but I do believe it isn't only your players skills who have influence on it, there has to be more.

Your PF and C don't have the same passing rating as your guards, correct? :-)

My thinking is that offensive flow is the Hattrick possession of BB. As a consequence, it depends on the tactic used (play inside? If your interior players suck at passing, your OF will drop).

I don't really know how it is calculated... (weighted) sum of passing skills of all players? Ratio between your offense and their defense and vice-versa?

Ha! :)

Just because the same player play doesn't mean everyone brings the exact same A-Game every time. You should hope the performance fluctuates at least a little bit, otherwise why even play the games?

Last edited by SaibotOfChilastra at 3/6/2008 7:35:19 PM

I think it would, considering the rating is based on a formula that weighs some positions more heavily than others. If the most important piece the pg goes wrong for one night, it's worse than if say the c had his off night.

I think that the offensive flow formula is dependent on the skills of each player, weighted by position and by minutes played, but not by their actual performances. I think the cause for the offensive flow formula varying has to due with the different amounts of playing time from game to game.