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I dont understand this change, as I dont think that such a small change will have an impact. Is there really such a big market for 10-15k free agents?

A huge majority of the teams are in the lower divisions and are not in the market for $100K players so these are the prices of the players that teams need in those divisions. And yes, the market prices of these players continues to fall every season just like it has with the higher priced players.

Its kinda a snobbish to assume that every change should only have an effect the top tier teams dont you think.

Whats snobbish about my initial question? U got a migraine, or whats the reason for your snotty statement?

I assumed that Div IV and V would rather be in the market for 20k players, maybe thats naive. Snobbish? lol.

I was not trying to offend you. My apologies.

I look at my roster, I am ranked top 2000 in the world and more than half of my roster falls into the $10000-20000 in terms of salary. One player in this range starts for me while the rest comprises my bench + trainees.

I cant speak for every country but when I was in D4 I didnt have a single player on my roster over $10000 in salary. That is probably very rare but most D4 teams would likely be looking for starters in this price range. In bigger countries this would likely be the equivalent of D5. In D3, most of my roster fell into this price catetory as did most of the rosters in my league.

To me, this is a very significant player range, probably the biggest in the game. Many trainees fall into this range, starters on the lower division teams (which comprise a majority of the teams in BB) and bench players on upper division teams. Plus if the market for these players suddenly spikes in price, some of these owners will start looking at players in higher price ranges as an alternative. It wont be huge but there should be somewhat of a ripple effect to increasing the price of the higher priced players. That is my opinion anyways.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 2/22/2012 8:38:03 AM

I completely agree with Beener on this. When I first started, before the introduction of free agents, one of the more daunting things was to see how rapidly the TL price rose for players that had even a small amount of training. To get a decent USA D5 starter would be over 100K, and that's for a guy that wouldn't be much of a backup in D4. That led me to buy some cheap 19 year olds and train them 2 position, which was fine, but I'm sure it delayed my team's progress a bit (not a huge deal, but I may have a longer view of team building than other brand new owners).

So I think the free agents have been great in helping increase the supply of these low to mid level players, and thus reducing prices.

My own opinion is that they should go back to the way it was and let the market dictate. It made it easier for clubs with modest means to be able to get good talent. It has happened with me, but now that is gone, and I am reduced to training to get my players better. Let me have a shot at that $100K a game player. If I get him for $500K, great. But, at least the market will dictate the price. Too many good players are being forced to retire because of that 10xsalary rule instead of finding good homes.
That, my friends, need to change.

I agree, Fa's ruins whole the economy.
Because of Fa's, its impossible to make proffit while training lower potencial guys.


There should be no fa's at all. Some players like roy from blazzers can end their carreer cause of health problems at age 24 or so:D Or like oden. I dont think he will ever play productive basketball seazon at all. Some players just cant play so they must retire.

I think that's not true. Take a decent guy, like a 19 year old PAS potential guy you buy for 5K or less, train him single position for a season, and you'll easily sell him for 100-150K. I did it with 2 guys. That's a very good profit. It's just not the crazy levels that lightly trained players went for previously. And that's frankly something I see as good, because it reduces inflation in other parts of the economy. And if people think big inflation is the sign of a healthy economy, well then I think they're crazy.

As for really high priced players retiring because nobody will pay 1 million for them, I think one possible change might be to have their price drop 100K every time they fail to sell. Maybe once it reaches a certain level with no sale, then the player retires?

Yeah right. For 150k and more you can by a 30-33 year old guy with a salary of around 20k.
Whereas to train a youngster up to 20k salary would take 3-4 seasons.

Easiest recipe for winning: Sell all players and buy cheap old farts, as the choice is plentiful really. And then train game shape all season, oh and can also buy a trainer with career extension.

So you can either train a player for 4 seasons that would hold his skills for another 10 seasons, and benefit from the associated merchandising from having some roster consistency, or spend the 150k every couple of seasons to recycle through another old fart.

Of course, it mostly depends on how picky you are on side skills, too. If you just want X ID/IS/REB and don't care for instance if there's pitiful passing, inept handling and so forth, the veteran cycle is great. There's no need to bother training that type of inside donkey because there are other donkey lovers more than willing to do that and flooding the market constantly.